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Why the hate

I was on the jeep facebook page and man so much hate for the renegade. All the wrangler and cherokee owners hate it, the styling, fiat chassis, not a real jeep they say. I personally think it pretty capable for a small suv. I do find it funny all the wrangler purists driving 4 door wranglers and hating on a renegade lol, thats a bit like pot calling the kettle black. No problem with 4 door wranglers at all but to me a wrangler is 2 doors and sometimes no doors! But I dont say anything cause to each their own, 4 door wranglers and cherokees are fine jeeps. However the hate for the renegade is strong among jeep owners.
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I should also say Im not trying to start any arguments nor do I want any. Im trying to understand why it isnt considered a real jeep, was there this much pushback when they introduced the patriot, or other models? This is my first jeep so thought I would be part of a community not an outsider lol!
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We own a commando Renny and really like it, but I understand some of the guff. It's a FIAT built vehicle cut & dry. Yep, it's capable, yep it's cool & yep it's a Jeep, but it isn't made by Tony in Ohio but rather Tony in Melfi.
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It is considered a real Jeep. Just look at what the magazine reviews say. Many reviews have said that it is a far more capable SUV than the Compass and Patriot which are nothing more than dressed up Dodge Calibers.
I think some of the negativity comes from the redneck mentality that a Jeep has to be made in the good old USA. The fact that it is made in Italy bothers a lot of people. What these people fail to realize is that it was designed by Jeep engineers and that is has Jeep DNA. The world economy dictates that these products have to be made all over the world to be sold in many markets. Note that all Coca-Cola products are not made in North America. They are made all over the world and they all taste the same.
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Ya'll got short memories. You forgot all the hate for the TJ with its coil springs. Or the Liberty, or the Commander, or the YJ "Wrongler".

I have a Renegade and I don't consider it a real Jeep. No two speed transfer case. My real Jeep is a 77' Cherokee, with a swapped in Ford engine, so I am already an outcast, or weirdo. I don't like JK owners that much. Some are okay though.
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Well I totally understand the not built in America, but many vehicles these days are built out of country, mexico, canada etc. I feel I still bought American, could have bought honda, kia, toyota but decided to stick with an American brand Jeep. Also dont think its nice to call a die hard jeep guy a redneck, I would just say stuck in the past or afraid of change. Actually the renegade isnt even taking the place of anything its just a vehicle filling a growing nitch market, its actually very good for Jeep overall.
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This happens every time any new Jeep comes out.

When the TJ came out, the YJ guys said "real Jeeps have leaf springs" and the TJ guys said "real Jeeps have round headlights"

When the JK came out, everybody said "the ESP system will prevent it from being lifted" and "the 4-door is too long to take off road"

When the XJ came out, everybody said "it's a mall crawler" and "you can't take it off road"

My point is, it's a real Jeep because it leads it's segment in off road capability. The Renegade isn't supposed to be a Wrangler. It's not supposed to be a Grand Cherokee. It's supposed to be the most off road capable B segment SUV on the market, which it is. It can conquer trails, rocks, sand, snow, mud and hills. It can take you places other vehicles never will. It deserves the Jeep name because of that.

For the record, I've owned over a dozen various kinds of Jeeps including Wranglers and Grand Cherokees. I traded in a 4-door JK Rubicon to buy a Renegade Trailhawk. My wife's ride is a Grand Cherokee. And yes, my Renegade is a "real" Jeep.

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My point is, it's a real Jeep because it leads it's segment in off road capability. The Renegade isn't supposed to be a Wrangler. It's not supposed to be a Grand Cherokee. It's supposed to be the most off road capable B segment SUV on the market, which it is. It can conquer trails, rocks, sand, snow, mud and hills. It can take you places other vehicles never will. It deserves the Jeep name because of that.

For the record, I've owned over a dozen various kinds of Jeeps including Wranglers and Grand Cherokees. I traded in a 4-door JK Rubicon to buy a Renegade Trailhawk. My wife's ride is a Grand Cherokee. And yes, my Renegade is a "real" Jeep.
Wow, well said!
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Great post, @Copperhead . Couldn't agree more.

I've seen so many "not a real Jeep" posts, or the backhanded compliments, trolling, people getting their shorts in knots over the Renegade. At this point I'm like


It's a shame it riles certain people up so much! Good luck with that, certain people!


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Well I totally understand the not built in America, but many vehicles these days are built out of country, mexico, canada etc. I feel I still bought American, could have bought honda, kia, toyota but decided to stick with an American brand Jeep. Also dont think its nice to call a die hard jeep guy a redneck, I would just say stuck in the past or afraid of change. Actually the renegade isnt even taking the place of anything its just a vehicle filling a growing nitch market, its actually very good for Jeep overall.
Hopefully this thread doesn't get out of hand, but I'll add my 2 cents.
Honda, Hyundai, Toyota among many others have non USA based manufacturers that have plants in the U.S.A. It could be noted that those vehicles put together in those plants are American made. In fact according to Cars.com the car company that qualifies as the most American is the Toyota Camry. Bottom line it is a global economy. Car makers have plants all over the globe. Does it really matter that a Renegades' engine is built in the USA and shipped over to Italy/Brazil, put together in a chassis and then shipped back. Just because it shares a platform. Is it less American? Not in my book. Is it still not called Jeep? Yep, last I checked. Can it do off-road better than any other model in its class. Check.

It's a Jeep, plain and simple.

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