Originally Posted by 77cherokee
Subarus are not in the same league as a Cherokee Trailhawk. The Cherk Trailhawk has an actual low range with locking center and rear differentials.
The Renegades use on demand 4wd, unless the lock button or other mode is chosen. The transition from 2 to 4wd is almost unperceetable. What turned me away from Subaru was the CVT.
I didn't get the Renegade for it's off-roading ability. I have a 77 Cherokee that will go places in 2wd that Renegade or Subaru can't go in 4wd, and carry far more stuff. I got the Renegade because it is 4wd, fits me well, is easy to park, and gets descent mileage. And no CVT.
Not sure if you are serious or just joking, My Subaru Forester XT can do things larger 4x4 vehicles can not do cause it is small and has less footprint. The Wrangler would have been a better argument, and I am a former Wrangler owner. The CVT is probably the best I have ever driven it simulates 8 gears and runs through them like a computer program.
To get LSD and locking differentials you have to get the STI with Subaru but the AWD system is about the best AWD system on the market excluding AUDI who builds a similar system in their Quattro cars. The boxer engine at 250 hp is detuned and there are guys running 280-300 hp stock on a small sport ute.
Name another vehicle under 30 grand with AWD, Turbo and 250 hp?
can not probably do it unless you go to the Volvo and Land Rover branded EVOQUE. The Forester is not for everyone and I get that, had the Renegade been out in Sept 2014 then I would have bought that more than likely; however, Dodge dealers like Ford dealers have to be the worst at managing releases and getting new models to the public without charging surcharges or prices over MSRP.
I see a lot of misrepresentation on this thread in regards to what Subaru is and what they do. They use boxer motors which is unique and a longitudinal direct drive setup while most makers in AWD form use traversed mounted engines. I have owned lots of 4 wheel drive cars and trucks and Subaru application is by far the best on road AWD system out.