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Class Action? Burning Oil, Engine Dying

Hello,

let me give you some context about what's going on and then I would like to hear from you.

I have a 2016, Jeep Renegade, with about 42K miles. When I first got my Jeep I read online about complaints regarding Jeep Renegades going through a lot of oil between oil changes. I very rarely wait until 10K miles to do an oil change. I usually do them around 4, 5, or 6K miles. Every time I take my Jeep in they always tell me, "oh, your Jeep was a little low on oil." They never made it sound dire and it probably wasn't because I change my oil often.

Well, lately I've been under financial stress and haven't been able to do my multiple oil changes, so I had to wait.

Long story short, my Jeep died yesterday at a stop light. Just completely shut down for no apparent reason. I was able to get it to start again after a few minutes. Later that morning I noticed a warning pop up when I was making a hard U-Turn. "LOW OIL PRESSURE." That's odd, I thought. I pulled into a gas station and I was almost completely OUT OF OIL (yes, I let the Jeep sit before checking). I was in disbelief. I checked 4 or 5 times just to be sure.. There was about 1/8" of oil on my dipstick.

I took it to the nearest Jiffy Lube and got an oil change. They service guy tells me "you didn't have any oil in your engine." -yeah, thanks.

It has been 10 weeks and 9,500 miles since my last oil change. There is NO WAY an engine should burn 4-5 quarts of oil in 10 weeks OR 9,500 miles. My old Toyota had 178K miles and barely burned half a quart between changes.

A little research and I found out.. I'm not alone. Other people are having this problem too. There is no way these engines are passing emissions standards burning through that much oil.

CHECK YOUR OIL. I didn't think I had this problem and I found out the hard way... Thank God I wasn't on the freeway or far from home.

Please let me know your thoughts, comments, experiences below.
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A US quart is near as dammit a litre, so you're using about half a litre per 1000 miles. It's not good for a modern car but most manufacturers won't really sit up until you get past a litre (or US quart) per 1000 miles.

The marks on the dipstick are a quart apart. If your level was still on the stick it won't have been empty (I suspect your service guy was exaggerating a bit) and you were probably only a couple of quarts off full. So your actual loss is probably only half what you suggest.

The handbook says "Check the oil level at regular intervals, such as every fuel stop." Going 9500 miles without checking it is clearly not complying with that. And you actually say above "When I first got my Jeep I read online about complaints regarding Jeep Renegades going through a lot of oil between oil changes." so not checking it regularly is quite frankly bonkers.
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Mike,

let me be clear about one thing first.. As far as the marks on the dip stick: The oil was not even on the hash marks. It was literally a drop of oil at the bottom of the dip stick. Hence I had to check 4 or 5 times as I was in disbelief.

I have never owned a vehicle that burned itself out of oil. I don't care what the manual says... That's not right. I guess part of the fault does lay with me for trusting that since I have a new, modern vehicle, I wouldn't have these issues. I've owned several vehicles over the course of my life and this kind of oil consumption is unheard of to me. I could understand if my Jeep had 150K+ miles on it and questionable maintenance, but 42K miles and well maintained? No. Sorry. An engine burning this much oil is either broken or a piece of Sh*t and they're hiding behind the fact that "the manual says to check the oil."

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There is NO WAY an engine should burn 4-5 quarts of oil in 10 weeks OR 9,500 miles. ... There is no way these engines are passing emissions standards burning through that much oil.
Why are you ASSUMING that any oil loss is due to oil actually passing through the combustion chambers and out the exhaust (the definition of "burning oil")? Do you see black, sooty deposits on your exhaust pipe? Does your car blow smoke out the exhaust?

It is FAR more likely that you have an undiscovered oil LEAK somewhere in the various component seals, gaskets, oil lines, and / or oil cooler. (By way of example, the tech forgot to torque the oil drain plug on my son's Patriot a few months back. - it was not even finger tight when we discovered it. He lost almost all the crankcase oil over a two week period, but only while driving (positive crankcase pressure when engine running), so there was no puddle of oil under the car in its normal parking spot, although the undercarriage was covered with a thin film of oil everywhere!

Perhaps you should check for the likely plumbing problem. I doubt seriously the the engine would run at all if it was actually passing that much oil through the combustion chambers because the spark plugs would become oil fouled and refuse to spark - and you'd see great gouts of oil fog smoke out your exhaust pipe (full synthetic oil doesn't like to burn - too high of a flash point temperature).
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Good suggestion.

However, the undercarriage was inspected by the service tech at my request and no leak was found. I park in a garage every night, every morning I let my engine warm up before leaving. The floor of my garage is squeaky clean. So, that is why I assume it is burning oil.
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I change our oil at 8,000 miles and have not seen it drop one bit. This is my 3rd oil change in 2 & half years. I check it monthly in all of our Jeeps.
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FPT engines used to use a fair bit of oil. (About 0.5l between services for the good ol' TwinSpark.)

But the current generation has been solid in my experience with zero oil added between changes.

So I'm guessing this is the 2.4?

Haven't there been threads about badly fitted filters?



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My 2.4 has used less oil between changes than any vehicle I have owned, and goes easily 2x the distance between changes than any of them. I would say that the design doesn't inherently burn oil. That being said a couple people have complained about obvious leaks that their dealers claim as too minor to warranty, but most of the free world would regard as a problem just biding it's time to get worse.

Yo can scream class action all you like, but step one of a class action is to build a class. Which I doubt you can for the issue you have.

Always, ALWAYS check the oil on new cars frequently. You might have gotten the one with a bad seal from the factory, and it keeps it from becoming a nightmare until the vehicle has a history of no issues.


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What he said ^^
Cars are like any machine, they can malfunction / break. Checking your oil is free and cheap to add a few quarts on your own if needed. I'm guilty of not checking it more often but it never looks even close to low when I do. But I still top it off, makes me feel better when it's full!

That being said, I feel pretty confident following the oil change indicator. When it comes on, it's time. No sooner, no later.

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