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I know this subject has be tossed around here and there between threads, I wanted to get something a little more solid here.. I prefer the manual trans and being that choices are limited...( very, very limited) to the 1.4L in NA with the 6 Spd.. I was curious what everyone thinks the drivability will be like with something that size and weight with an engine that small. I am not looking for (or expecting the power of a BMW X6 here) but would like it to not be grossly underpowered.. I realize this can be somewhat subjective but I think everyone knows what I mean as I drive through hills and somewhat mountainous roads semi often. I currently drive a 2012 Focus with a (2.0L non turbo) putting out 160hp/146torque and the car weighs roughly 3,000 lbs.. and the car is totally adequate for me. Input anyone?
 
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I currently have an Escape (~3100 lbs) with a 5-speed manual and 2..3L (153 HP). It is adequate, but I also do light towing and I am not sure the little turbo motor will do it.

I really wish the manual were available with the normally-aspirated 2.4,
 
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I have the turbo motor in my Abarth and it is terrible as far as a smooth power band. It has a nasty hesitation at 3K RPM under medium to hard acceleration and a delay from a dead stop. It also hates heat. The ECU cuts power quick during the summer months. Fiat also uses cheap spring clips to hold the flex tubing to hard pipe on the intercooler piping. You can twist and move in and out the tubing. I had two leaks on mine before I went to the single cooler. I will be more than happy to get the Tiger Shark engine.
 
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I have the turbo motor in my Abarth and it is terrible as far as a smooth power band. It has a nasty hesitation at 3K RPM under medium to hard acceleration and a delay from a dead stop. It also hates heat. The ECU cuts power quick during the summer months. Fiat also uses cheap spring clips to hold the flex tubing to hard pipe on the intercooler piping. You can twist and move in and out the tubing. I had two leaks on mine before I went to the single cooler. I will be more than happy to get the Tiger Shark engine.
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What year Abarth do you have? You ever take it in for an ECU update?
 
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My dad said if I buy a Renegade next year not to get the 1.4L engine. Will they offer all trim levels with the bigger engine (Tiger Shark engine)?
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Jessica08, the Feature availability sheet says the 2.4L engine is standard on Limited and TrailHawk and an option on all the other trim levels. You are however locked into the 9-speed transmission with this engine.
 
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Did he say why not to get a Renegade with that engine? I assume he has a Dart maybe had bad experience with it?
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He just said it's a small engine. Not a lot of power. I don't know much about engines so IDK if this is accurate with this particular engine.

Like when I bought my Wrangler TJ a few years ago, he told me to make sure it had the I6 4.0L engine in it and not the 4 cyl. (I think) that came on some.
 
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He just said it's a small engine. Not a lot of power. I don't know much about engines so IDK if this is accurate with this particular engine.

Like when I bought my Wrangler TJ a few years ago, he told me to make sure it had the I6 4.0L engine in it and not the 4 cyl. (I think) that came on some.
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Below are specs i pulled up on the 1.4T, and overall it doesn't seem to bad when it comes to power and performance. Fortunately it's in the dart that has been out for some time already, and i think the Fiat 500... good ways to see how it really is over time.


ENGINE TYPE: turbocharged and intercooled SOHC 16-valve inline-4, iron block and aluminum head, port fuel injection

Displacement: 83 cu in, 1368 cc
Power: 160 hp @ 5500 rpm
Torque: 184 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm

TRANSMISSION: 6-speed manual

DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 106.4 in
Length: 183.9 in
Width: 72.0 in Height: 57.7 in
Curb weight: 3277 lb

PERFORMANCE: NEW
Zero to 60 mph: 8.0 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 21.8 sec
Zero to 110 mph: 28.4 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 8.8 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 24.1 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 12.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 16.1 sec @ 87 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 119 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 168 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g

FUEL ECONOMY:
EPA city/highway driving: 27/39 mpg
C/D observed: 29 mpg
Unscheduled oil additions: 0 qt
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7slot said:
Did he say why not to get a Renegade with that engine? I assume he has a Dart maybe had bad experience with it?
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Below are specs i pulled up on the 1.4T, and overall it doesn't seem to bad when it comes to power and performance. Fortunately it's in the dart that has been out for some time already, and i think the Fiat 500... good ways to see how it really is over time.
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This engine is in the Fiat 500 Abarth only. I have an Abarth that has 44K miles on it and I hate this motor. It has a nasty hesitation from a dead stop and under medium to hard acceleration it has another nasty hesitation a 3K RPM. Heat affects it a lot. It has a redundancy in safety's and will drop off the HP quick on summer days. It has uneven and inconstant power delivery. What Fiat uses for intercooler fasteners on it's plumbing is a joke. One end will be worm clamped while the other end is held in place with a spring clip. This allows the rubber tubing to move in and out and twist on the metal tubing. I had two leaks on mine at 30K miles. I took it out and replaced it with a single cooler and silicone tubing.

I am so happy to get the Tigershark motor but I am disappointed you can't get the manual transmission with it.

The only thin good about the 1.4 is the sound it makes out the exhaust.
 
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Jessica08 said:
He just said it's a small engine. Not a lot of power. I don't know much about engines so IDK if this is accurate with this particular engine.

Like when I bought my Wrangler TJ a few years ago, he told me to make sure it had the I6 4.0L engine in it and not the 4 cyl. (I think) that came on some.
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Well it has more torque than the 2.4, and it has 170hp. There's dismissing a bad engine, and then there is dismissing an engine for some aspect of it that is meaningless.

I had a coworker who was daily driving an 11 second quarter mile turbo four (3200lb car roughly) that was all ratted out (ok, built up out of salvage and discards on a 7 year old car). Displacement isn't everything and there are bad and good engines in pretty much any format.
 
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This engine is in the Fiat 500 Abarth only. I have an Abarth that has 44K miles on it and I hate this motor. It has a nasty hesitation from a dead stop and under medium to hard acceleration it has another nasty hesitation a 3K RPM. Heat affects it a lot. It has a redundancy in safety's and will drop off the HP quick on summer days. It has uneven and inconstant power delivery. What Fiat uses for intercooler fasteners on it's plumbing is a joke. One end will be worm clamped while the other end is held in place with a spring clip. This allows the rubber tubing to move in and out and twist on the metal tubing. I had two leaks on mine at 30K miles. I took it out and replaced it with a single cooler and silicone tubing.

I am so happy to get the Tigershark motor but I am disappointed you can't get the manual transmission with it.

The only thin good about the 1.4 is the sound it makes out the exhaust.
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Only the Abarth has that intercooler design (probably because the engine is shoehorned into such a small car) The other 1.4L Turbo vehicles have a single intercooler. The bigger vehicles, like the Renegade, may keep cool better overall.

Did you have the hesitation before you put on the single intercooler? do you have any other mods? I just find the hesitation issue really interesting because I've driven an Abarth plenty of times and never noticed.
 
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Only the Abarth has that intercooler design (probably because the engine is shoehorned into such a small car) The other 1.4L Turbo vehicles have a single intercooler. The bigger vehicles, like the Renegade, may keep cool better overall.

Did you have the hesitation before you put on the single intercooler? do you have any other mods? I just find the hesitation issue really interesting because I've driven an Abarth plenty of times and never noticed.
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Yes, I did. That's what got me started doing different mods on trying to smooth it out. I know the hesitations are common as they are discussed on the Fiat forums and I have a couple of friends with Abarth too.
 
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The 1.4 Turbo Multiair engine is used in lot of Fiat/Alfa/Lancia/Chrysler cars in Europe. I've driven it in a few Alfas.. it was/is extremely smooth and powerful and especially delightful to drive with the TCT gearbox. Of course the North America version will be slightly different. I suggest you actually go out and test drive one before you buy it.

If you are using your Renegade for offroad work then you may well need a bit more grunt. But you need to look at the torque figures and when peak torque is available at what revs... If you are using it to commute to work then I cant see why you need a big engine.

I've heard a few of my US friends say they would never have a 4 cylinder engine as they dont "last" long enough... I could never get them to give a logical reason why they thought this...
 
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