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This must be a feature of newer models? My ‘17 Limited with the 2.4L doesn’t have this.
Yeah, I believe so. By default, it shuts off the engine at a stop, and starts it again when you take your foot off the brake (maybe not with manual transmissions...?).

The feature can be disabled with the push of a button, but you have to disable it again after shutting the vehicle down.

I thought auto start-stop was going to absolutely drive me crazy. Until I test-drove a 2021 1.3T Renegade Trailhawk, and couldn't even notice the engine stopping and starting at red lights. It may have been because I was was being careful with the unfamiliar demo, and wasn't stomping on the accelerator right away...

Yes, I'm still waiting on the special-order Trailhawk to come in from Italy...
 

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I am curious to see what happens with yours, having the auto start/stop turned off all the time.
Well, auto stop/start isn't turned off all the time -- it has to be turned off by pushing the button for each driving cycle.

With it turned off, there would be marginally-higher fuel consumption, and maybe marginally-faster acceleration from a stop.

Do current manual-transmission Renegades have this?
 

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So the UK (or Euro) models are different that way? You can disable the auto stop/start, and it stays off even for subsequent trips?

Not so in the U.S. ... You can press the button to disable for t he current trip only, but then have to press it again for subsequent trips.

And how does it work on your UK manual? Does it start the engine when you lift off the brake pedal, or when you engage the clutch, or when you press on the accelerator? I believe ours (automatic only) do it as soon as you release the brake...
 

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Yeah, they recommend this because they use cheap oil and more changes means more money.
Wait...what? We're slightly off-topic here, but I would certainly expect that a Jeep dealer would use the weight and specification of oil that Mopar recommends/requires; particularly since it could be a warranty issue. That would be MS-13340 for a 1.3L engine, and MS-6395 for a 2.4L.

Of course, it might be a challenge for a dealer to keep both of these and more in-stock in bulk, and keep them straight; but that's their job.

That's one reason why I always* change my own oil -- to know what goes into the car. I stick to the specs, because I'm not knowledgeable enough about oil specs to deviate from what a manufacturer recommends/requires...

Once I get my on-order Renegade Trailhawk in mid-April, I do plan to * sigh * take it to the dealer for whatever free oil changes they offer -- but I'm going to be very careful that they show me what spec oil they're putting in.
 

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This is the way of the future like it or not...to save gas😉 In US it will only get stricter and stricter to comply with EPA and energy use guidelines.
Yup. And I would have expected the default (or even mandatory) auto-stop/start feature would have been introduced in Europe even earlier; because of their price of fuel and, um, higher eco-consciousness (just ask them... :) ).

Of course, tests have shown that the fuel savings are very marginal...
 

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Well, now that I've taken delivery of my 2021 Renegade Trailhawk and searched my USB-based 2020 Service Manual, I can shed some light onto the auto stop/start feature -- at least the U.S. version. Particularly the question about the "second tiny battery."

When driving the vehicle home from the dealership, I noticed a warning on the dashboard -- something to the effect that the auto stop/start system was disabled because its battery hadn't charged up enough yet, or something to that effect. By the time I got home, there was a notice that the system was now working.

Nothing about this in the Owner's Manual. So I just searched through the Service Manual, and found some details on how the system works. Since the weird copy protection prevents me from cutting-and-pasting or even doing a print-screen on anything from the manual, here's an old-school literal screen shot (* grumble grumble pain-in-the-ass *). Hope they don't get me for a copyright infringement (coughJeepCarescough)...:

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So it looks like there is indeed an "Auxiliary Battery" for the ESS system. I haven't digested all of this yet, but it looks like the Auxiliary Battery kicks in when the engine is automatically stopped, to power all the vehicle's electrical systems so that the Main Battery isn't burdened and is ready to start the engine again. So if the Auxiliary Battery isn't working or isn't charged, the ESS is disabled. Pretty smart.

Also, according to the owner's Manual, there's a long list of conditions that will prevent the ESS from engaging -- high-power-draw stuff like the HVAC system not being at its set level, or seat heating on, etc etc etc -- all to make sure that power isn't drained when the engine is off. Again, pretty smart...
 

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So I was correct afterall when posting a few years ago about having 2 batteries. :eek::love::D
I still don't know what post you're referring to a few years ago... but I'd been reacting to 36Snares's comment in Post #37 above, that there was allegedly a small battery for the ESS system.

So yes, he was correct. And you were too, assuming you were saying the same thing...a few years ago.

Though, to be fair, neither of you could explain that. It took me to do that... ;)
 
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