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I just LOL'ed at the tittle a little bit, sounds borderline metaphysical with a dash of nihilist angst, the Renegade in all of us vs the Soul in all of us, sounds like a dissertation from an overblown philosophy major trying to finagle himself an unemployment cheque. Sorry, side track..

Ok so the Renegade vs the Soul, in pictures mind you. While perusing keep in mind that the Renegade and Soul both make use of 101.2-inch wheelbase, however the Jeep is 3.6 inches longer and 3.5 inches taller than the Soul















 

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It's weird to think of the Renegade as a competitor with the Soul, but I guess it is. As far as the design goes, it is really just a matter of taste. The interior of the Renegade I think is nicer than the Soul though. The Soul interior is pretty boring, at least Jeep threw in some colors. I bet you that the Renegade is more fun to drive too.
 

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well the renegade poverty pack is most certainly going to compete with the Soul. What y'all are forgetting is that the majority of Renegade buyers are not going to be buying based on off road prowess which is basically all the jeep brand was built on. They want something cool and cheap I suppose.

Base the SOul is $14,900, Soul+ is $18,200 and Soul! is $20,300 so well within the Renegades range...
 

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Are those actually what the different trim levels of the Soul are? That's pretty funny.

I guess the pricing is on point though. If you come at it from the perspective of price, then I can see people looking into both. The styling of the two are very different though. Both cars you either like or hate, I don't think its a matter of choosing which one you like better. most people will only like one.
 

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Are those actually what the different trim levels of the Soul are? That's pretty funny.

I guess the pricing is on point though. If you come at it from the perspective of price, then I can see people looking into both. The styling of the two are very different though. Both cars you either like or hate, I don't think its a matter of choosing which one you like better. most people will only like one.
One thing I noticed about the Kia is that it has an interior design that reminds me of the interior's on Mini's, yet again it seems they copied!
 

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Y'all can say what you want about the soul but Wards just named the Soul+ as one of their top 10 interiors. Heres how they do it:

The honorees represent a broad swath of cars and utility vehicles available in the U.S. with advanced human-machine interfaces, high-quality materials, outstanding comfort and, in some cases, breathtaking aesthetics and limited self-driving capabilities.

 

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I had an '11 Soul and a '14 Soul. I'll start out by saying I loved the original design & am a huge fan. The original design with the metallic avocado green was awesome! When that lease was up, I got a '14. Didn't like the aesthetics as much, but it had improvements in other areas (blind spots, ride quality, etc.). It was also the best car I've ever driven in the snow thanks to a combination of TC & ESC (iirc ESC was mandated on all cars '14 & newer, absolutely wonderful technology for snow driving!). Ended up trading it in for a Forester because my wife hated stick, and also the Soul was underpowered with a 6-speed MT & ~130HP motor. Side note on the '15 Forester: I call it the best car ever built. Goes up hills effortlessly, lots of nice safety features, adaptive cruise option, amazing visibility, but...pretty bland. I almost got a second one, but the Renegade caught my eye & I dug the design, especially the interior. It's not as strong on hills, but makes up for it in a lot of other ways.

So having had two Souls...the Renegade is essentially a Soul with AWD. It's basically exactly the same car, but with a way better ride (the Soul has a pretty stiff suspension). Since I've gotten to the point where I drive more miles than makes sense to lease, I wanted to buy something fun that would also get me through the New England snow...technically the Forester was the best answer, but the Jeep is WAY more fun, so I opted for the combination of fun & practical. I almost bought another Soul (great-looking dark metallic blue with tan leather interior, ~$24k), but for $1.5k more, I got the Jeep with AWD/4WD & vastly improved ride experience. I feel better knowing that I'll have that for the winter & also so I can have some fun going on trails with my Jeep buddies. It's just nothing something I'll have to worry about in winter. Again, the '14 Soul was the best car I've ever driven in the snow, but I can do even more with the Jeep, and again with the ride, it's just soooo much better. More solid even than the Forester imo.

I think the Soul looks better than the Renegade, especially the older models. A lot of people don't realize what great cars the Souls are & what a good value they are...when I looked, it was like the third-cheapest car on the market (after the Mitsubishi 1.2L deathtrap & Nissan Versa) but had a ton of features available in a really great car package - sit upright, lots of room, surprisingly great quality...basically a modern Saturn. The Renegade has some weird design features, like the slightly oval-on-the-horizontal side windows & stuff (fortunately it looks better in person than in pictures), but is lovable in its own way. I went with the Commando green because heck, gotta get an ugly color to match an ugly car :D I actually like the kind of WWII nostalgic green it imparts to the design. Definitely getting some Jurassic Park stickers for the side doors next Halloween, haha!

Anyway - the Soul is a great car. Very underrated imo. However, if you're planning on buying a decked-out Kia model, for a little more you can get a Jeep 4x4 with a ride that is so much better it doesn't even compare.
 

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Got my wife a soul in '11. My reaction was I wish they made one with awd and a bit more ground clearance. Which is how I wound up with the renegade. C
 

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Soul's are too boxy. The Renegade has subtle curves that make them look more like a car/SUV than a box on wheels. And the Renegade is an SUV - not a car, like the Soul is. For me, there is no comparing the two.
 

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I sold my soul and bought a renegade and my opinion is there is no comparison! Renegade all the way, I may change my mind depending on longevity only time will tell.
 

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And the Renegade is an SUV - not a car, like the Soul is. For me, there is no comparing the two.
Having just gotten out of a 2014 Soul this past May, I can tell you they are just about exactly the same car, even has the same wheelbase. The difference is mainly in the suspension - the Renegade has a great ride, whereas the Soul has a budget-box ride (much stiffer, you definitely knock on the bumps). Plus the extra features like AWD/4WD in the Renegade, of course - but again per my previous post, up to getting the Jeep, the '14 Soul with government-mandated ESC is hands-down the best car I've ever driven in the snow. So after driving the updated Soul design for a year & a half, I'd say the main difference is the quality of the ride...the Jeep has a good one, the Soul has an economy one.

But honestly, other than that, they feel super similar. I actually like the Soul's transmission better...the Jeep's 9-speed is crap. I have the 2.4L automatic & I can literally count to 3 before the power kicks in, which is actually kind of dangerous if I need to punch it, like this morning when a semi-truck was trying to merge into my lane - it barely moves for a few seconds & then the power comes on, so you either have to pray it kicks in or try to honk & move into the emergency lane until it does. Even my wife's Forester with the CVT is 10 times better when you need to gun it. It reminds me of driving a Prius, if you've ever driven one from a full stop - it has that delay from when the electric motor switches over to the gas engine, there's an anemic period before the power starts, which can be scary if you're trying to turn left in front of oncoming traffic or need to squeeze out of a tight spot. I hope they either have a recall to fix the shifting (assuming it's not just a required "feature" of the 9-speed due to gearing) or someone makes an aftermarket fix to shift to power quicker. Took my wife out for a test-drive after I got it and the very first thing she said to me was "this is a slow car". I really wish it just had a simple 5-speed, it'd probably be a lot more fun to drive in terms of acceleration & removing the lag than the 9-speed it has now. I didn't get a chance to test-drive a Renegade with the manual transmission to compare, unfortunately, but I'd imagine the problem is non-existent in that one.

Personally, I don't really consider the Renegade an SUV, which may offend some people here. I call it the same as my Soul - a half-wagon. Wikipedia says the correct term is "subcompact crossover SUV", which is a real mouthfull. To me, it's a fat Wrangler haha. After riding in it, my friend called it a Gentleman's Jeep - didn't beat you up riding in it on the highway or for long periods of time, yet is still fairly off-road capable. I took it out on a trail & had a blast with it this weekend, which is something I'd never ever do in the Soul for obvious reasons. My only real regret is not waiting for a Trailhawk! Gotta figure out how to add tow hooks & all of the other goodies to my Latitude now :D
 

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Got my wife a soul in '11. My reaction was I wish they made one with awd and a bit more ground clearance. Which is how I wound up with the renegade. C
That's exactly how I felt - great car, just wish it was up a little higher & had AWD/4WD. Got my wish, plus extra - the quality of the ride makes ALL the difference to me. I feel like I'm in a real car with the Renegade, not an econobox like the Soul (in terms of the suspension handling potholes, speedbumps, etc.).
 

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I sold my soul and bought a renegade and my opinion is there is no comparison! Renegade all the way, I may change my mind depending on longevity only time will tell.
I loved the Soul & was anxiously awaiting the Turbo model (confirmed by Kia to Motor Trend), but it hasn't made an appearance yet:

http://www.motortrend.com/news/sportier-kia-soul-on-the-way-next-gen-model-may-offer-awd/

Especially with the Soul being anywhere from 200 to 700 pounds lighter than the Renegade (depending on the configuration), that would have been a really fun ride, especially with the rumored AWD option. But it's a pipe dream right now, and I have a shiny new Renegade sitting in the driveway ready to get me through winter, so I'm pretty happy. As far as no comparison, that's how I feel about the ride quality...honestly, even if Kia offered a 200hp Turbo AWD Soul, I don't think I could ever go back. The Renegade just feels extremely solid on the road (and off the road!) without being jarring. I don't think Kia can match that with the Soul...
 
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