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Was REALLY hoping to get the upgraded 9 speakers. However, being that an Orange Trailhawk is as rare around here as a white tiger, I took what I could get. But still awaiting it's arrival up from San Diego.

So, how has the 6 speaker system been sounding to y'all? Happy with it? Was anyone able to really notice a huge different between the 6 and the 9 speaker set-up? I mentioned somewhere in a different thread that the audio guy at our dealership said the 9 speaker system actually DOESN'T include an actual sub-woofer. But, rather, a speaker that mimics a sub-woofer to a degree. And then actually talked me OUT of upgrading to a different system at the dealership, saying he didn't think I would be able to tell much of a difference, and to just save my money. (Refreshing to be actually told to SAVE my money by a salesman.)
 

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I'm fine with my 6 speaker, as I wasn't really planning on spending the extra for the 9 speaker anyway. Sounds good for what it is, and I enjoy the UConnect head the most.

Most OEM premium audio packages are okay, but you're better off getting aftermarket speakers if you really want to upgrade. I think the only benefit to the 9 speaker was amplifiers, which your typical aftermarket stereo place can do.

We'll see what comes out in the long run but I'm pleased with mine so far.
 

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Was REALLY hoping to get the upgraded 9 speakers. However, being that an Orange Trailhawk is as rare around here as a white tiger, I took what I could get. But still awaiting it's arrival up from San Diego.

So, how has the 6 speaker system been sounding to y'all? Happy with it? Was anyone able to really notice a huge different between the 6 and the 9 speaker set-up? I mentioned somewhere in a different thread that the audio guy at our dealership said the 9 speaker system actually DOESN'T include an actual sub-woofer. But, rather, a speaker that mimics a sub-woofer to a degree. And then actually talked me OUT of upgrading to a different system at the dealership, saying he didn't think I would be able to tell much of a difference, and to just save my money. (Refreshing to be actually told to SAVE my money by a salesman.)
Honestly I was torn on it too and test drove the 9-speaker system and listened to some different songs, and sat in the 6 speaker system for a while and listened to it too. I personally really liked the premium sound and think it's worth the upgrade. The 6 speaker system sounds good and I definitely wouldn't complain if I had it, but the sub definitely adds a lot to round it out in the premium package. Also the wiring and amp is there too if you ever want to upgrade, it'll save you a lot on wiring and installation to have the 9 speaker system. I'm a music guy though and a bit of an audiophile so I really enjoy having that extra something. I ended up paying for the premium sound package.
 

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Honestly I was torn on it too and test drove the 9-speaker system and listened to some different songs, and sat in the 6 speaker system for a while and listened to it too. I personally really liked the premium sound and think it's worth the upgrade. The 6 speaker system sounds good and I definitely wouldn't complain if I had it, but the sub definitely adds a lot to round it out in the premium package. Also the wiring and amp is there too if you ever want to upgrade, it'll save you a lot on wiring and installation to have the 9 speaker system. I'm a music guy though and a bit of an audiophile so I really enjoy having that extra something. I ended up paying for the premium sound package.
I too am somewhat of an audiophile and opted for the premium sound setup for virtually the same reasons. I've received upgraded JBL speakers to drop in, but haven't torn anything apart yet to do it. I plan on looking into it tomorrow and I'll take a few picks; but need a little guidance on what panels to take off and what special tools I might need to avoid breaking clips. I'm an audiophile listener... not so much builder :)

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I don't look at my TH as a place to invest in the audio. Just too much road noise and it is not a space conducive to audio fidelity.
Strike, if you're getting a lot of road noise, you may want to check and see if you have some of those unseeled gaps that some owners have ended up with. The Renegade is actually one of the more quiet models in the segment, so you shouldn't be getting a lot of road noise.

If you think upgrading the audio in a Rene is a waste, then you must think all those thousands of people who've upgraded their Wranglers are REALLY stupid, lol. :laugh:
 

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Strike, if you're getting a lot of road noise, you may want to check and see if you have some of those unseeled gaps that some owners have ended up with. The Renegade is actually one of the more quiet models in the segment, so you shouldn't be getting a lot of road noise.

If you think upgrading the audio in a Rene is a waste, then you must think all those thousands of people who've upgraded their Wranglers are REALLY stupid, lol. :laugh:

I was thinkin the same thing, Rebel. Was surprised HOW quiet my Renny Trailhawk was, even at 80mph...with my new audio upgrade going. LOUD road noise was my 1999 CR-V. Now THAT was wretched!
 

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Strike, if you're getting a lot of road noise, you may want to check and see if you have some of those unseeled gaps that some owners have ended up with. The Renegade is actually one of the more quiet models in the segment, so you shouldn't be getting a lot of road noise.

If you think upgrading the audio in a Rene is a waste, then you must think all those thousands of people who've upgraded their Wranglers are REALLY stupid, lol. :laugh:
Relatively the TH is quiet - but still not high fidelity quiet.
Yes - investing in an sound system for a Wrangler is a waste.
When it comes to fidelity, louder is not better.
 

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Also - most audio "upgrades" are audio distorters (like sub-woofers) and I do not have a CD player - even "HD Radio" is compressed. So I do not have a fidelity source. So no fidelity source and a non-fidelity space would not benefit any from fidelity speakers.
I take fidelity serious - every time I see someone with $400 headset listening to music from a phone - I wonder if they are listening to loss less MP3s.
Some cars have specially engineered sound systems that have decent fidelity, but this is not the case with the Renegade.
 

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Relatively the TH is quiet - but still not high fidelity quiet.
Yes - investing in an sound system for a Wrangler is a waste.
When it comes to fidelity, louder is not better.
This is your opinion, and one that is in the minority to the extreme. Are you saying that the only vehicle worthy of an audio upgrade is a whisper quiet Lexus or something similar?

Have you ever driven with the top down on a Wrangler with the stock system? If so, you would see why audio upgrades agree very popular for this truck. I'd think someone so concerned with fidelity would see the logic in wanting to add higher wattage amps, and speakers capable of taking those watts, to a truck where combating wind noise is such a concern. Who enjoys hearing distortion when you turn your stock system up loud enough to hear your music over the wind?



Regarding fidelity and loudness: first, let me quote the very definition of fidelity, as it pertains to audio...

fidelity: Audio, Video. the degree of accuracy with which sound or images are recorded or reproduced.

So, if you are truly concerned with audio fidelity, you better make sure your audio system can play with minimal distortion at high volumes. Ever been to a rock concert? Do you think musicians are recording albums with their amps playing at whisper-quiet levels? Heck, even a simple trumpet can routinely hit at over 110db. An orchestra playing fortissimo generally measures about 90+dB at 12th row center.


Also - most audio "upgrades" are audio distorters (like sub-woofers) and I do not have a CD player - even "HD Radio" is compressed. So I do not have a fidelity source. So no fidelity source and a non-fidelity space would not benefit any from fidelity speakers.
I take fidelity serious - every time I see someone with $400 headset listening to music from a phone - I wonder if they are listening to loss less MP3s.
Some cars have specially engineered sound systems that have decent fidelity, but this is not the case with the Renegade.
A subwoofer is an "audio distorter"? What?:confused: You do realize that it's physically impossible for the small speakers found in car doors and dashes to faithfully reproduce the lower octaves found in almost any modern recording with enough volume to be in balance with the rest of the frequencies, the way the audio engineer intended, correct? We're not sitting in a 20'x20' room, with enough space to fit large tower speakers that have their own large woofers.

Are you the kind of audiophile that thinks that any subwoofer at all is some sort of perversion of true audio bliss? If so, then this article was written for you: http://audiophilereview.com/subwoofers/what-audiophiles-are-getting-wrong-about-subwoofers.html

It's a sad situation. Most audiophiles don't use subs, so they're missing out on great bass. Obviously, if you're using stand-mounted speakers without a sub, you're not getting deep bass. But even if you're using a big pair of tower speakers, you're probably not getting good bass. Why? Because you have to position your tower speakers where they'll deliver the best stereo imaging -- which is not where they'll deliver the smoothest bass response. Measure the frequency response in your listening chair and you'll see how uneven your bass is.
So as you can see, even if we had enough room in the Renegade for your favorite Bowers & Wilkins or MartinLogan towers, you could still benefit from a properly set up subwoofer.:D




As to the supposed lack of "fidelity source", you'll be happy to learn that your USB slot takes a thumb drive, which can be loaded up with some FLAC files... same quality as a CD. It's possible the Renegade doesn't decode FLAC, but even if this is the case, it has a stereo 3.5mm jack, so you can still input any high end HD source you wish, complete with upgraded onboard DAC's, or whatever you see fit.

I'm not aware of a lossless mp3, do you have a link for this? If you're refering to 320kbps mp3, this certainly isn't lossless, though there's a very interesting thread on head-fi, where guys doing double-blind tests with thousand dollor headphones, couldnm't discern a difference between 320kbps mp3 and FLAC.


As to your point of the Renegade not being one of those "cars that have specially engineered sound systems that have decent fidelity", that's exactly what we're trying to remedy ;)
 

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UPDATE: install of the JBL 6x9s for the doors and a single pair of 3.5" for the dash. I didn't want to screw it up, so I took the speakers to professionals for installation. After a lengthy discussion of what I was trying to accomplish (kinda knew that was coming); decided to only install the single pair of 3.5" in the dash.

The discussion centered around the fact that I hadn't also purchased an amplifier; whether from them or from amazon is irrelevant. The stock Amp is the issue. With the new speakers, it would not have given me what I was hoping. The dash speakers added a little to the sound quality, but I'm not sure for the better. It has more high and mid and it is cleaner sounding, but I have to set the Treble on stock EQ (UConnect 6.5) to almost all down - about 80%. The problem is now that the muffled sound I was getting from the doors is even more muffled.

I didn't feel like waiting a long time and paying a couple hundred to get minimal improvement in sound - but I also didn't want to leave without having anything done. It took great effort to get there and then had to wait -- the logistics of what I have to deal with anytime I need work done on my car; long story, it is what it is.

So here is where it stands: I'm going to go back on another day, spend about $1200 and get the Audison Prima AP8.9 and the AP1 D amplifiers installed, along with the 6x9s. And get it all calibrated to the way I want it to sound. Then I'm not spending any more on sound.

For anyone insterested in seeing some pics of the speakers and their locations, hop over to Crutchfield.com. Search for the Renegade and there is a tiny link along right of photos -- I used it when talking to the pros. Also, kinda funny, initially they said I was wrong about the 3.5" speaker size and until they opened it up, they insisted that it was 2.75". Chrysler told them it was 2.75" -- kinda funny that I got the right information here about the speaker size. I love this forum!

Kudos to Rebel (http://www.jeeprenegadeforum.com/fo...r-audio-knowledgeable-members.html#post161441)! Thank you!

Quark

PS -- yes, yes, i realize I was trying to cut some corners... shame on me! :p
 

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I own the 6-speaker version. I am into good sounding music and have installed stereo systems in many different cars over the years. The stock speakers are NEVER good enough. The premium audio systems often sound better at first, but not up to my standards. I can always do better. I have read on some other threads here about people having difficulty with the 9-speaker system. It seems there is a signal processor that directs the lows and highs. Some of the stock speakers on that are 4-ohm and some are 2-ohm. I know that a 6 1/2" subwoofer is just not going to cut it. I also wanted there to be plenty of places to replace those speakers as I do it.

evrafter, change the front dash speakers first and make sure you install the bass blockers. Check out this thread in this forum: http://www.jeeprenegadeforum.com/fo...-door-panel-removal-speaker-installation.html

Rebel, that is an insightful, knowledgeable, and intelligent reply. I actually learned something from that.

Strike z, I don't know what to say. It wouldn't matter because you wouldn't hear it anyway.

Quark, good luck with the install. I am curious to find out if it helps the sound at all since you have the 9-speaker system I mentioned. It would be pretty easy to put a bigger subwoofer into that system since you can tap right into the rear subwoofer already in the back of the car.
 

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I have the six speaker and it is perfectly fine. The Renegade does have a lot of road noise and my hearing is too important to just crank up the volume to drown it out. I used to have a Wrangler with a soft top that I would remove. I pulled the stereo out. Again, my hearing is more important than a loud stereo.
 

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I'm very happy with the stock 6 speaker system. I'm a bit of an audiophile at home with a pretty nice setup in my living room and headphones for when the girlfriend tells me to turn it down :) However, my preference in my vehicle as I grow older is quality over volume. On all my previous vehicles, I scrapped the speaker and headset right away and upgraded to the loudest thing I could afford with a big box in the back + amps.

I listen to mostly XM radio and tunes through my phone via bluetooth and the quality sounds great at mid to higher volumes. Music is like therapy for me on most days as well so if the sound was poor in the Jeep, I would definitely be complaining about it.

That being said, I have not heard the premium 9 speaker system so I can't offer a true comparison, just my thoughts on the 6 speaker stock system from someone who loves all kinds of music.

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Was REALLY hoping to get the upgraded 9 speakers. However, being that an Orange Trailhawk is as rare around here as a white tiger, I took what I could get. But still awaiting it's arrival up from San Diego.

So, how has the 6 speaker system been sounding to y'all? Happy with it? Was anyone able to really notice a huge different between the 6 and the 9 speaker set-up? I mentioned somewhere in a different thread that the audio guy at our dealership said the 9 speaker system actually DOESN'T include an actual sub-woofer. But, rather, a speaker that mimics a sub-woofer to a degree. And then actually talked me OUT of upgrading to a different system at the dealership, saying he didn't think I would be able to tell much of a difference, and to just save my money. (Refreshing to be actually told to SAVE my money by a salesman.)
It sounds good. I like bass and there isn't much of it. :(
 

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I have the 6 speaker system in my almost brand new 2015 Trailhawk...and it is adequate at best (Keep in mind I have over 10G invested in home audio, so good sound matters to me). The stock speakers are not very good, they lack dynamic and sound tinty to me. Now, I don't spend enough time in my car to invest a couple thousand of dollars, but this weekend I will install some decent speakers.
 
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