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From the Detroit Free Press... EPA numbers for the manual option available tomorrow. Also, an idea on manual sales expectations.

The fuel economy rating for the Renegade with a smaller, 1.4-liter, four-cylinder engine is expected to be announced Friday, Goyer said. While that version is expected to have better fuel economy than the larger 2.4-liter engine, Goyer said the company expects it will only account for about 10% to 15% of total Renegade sales.


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Long gone are the days where you'd get better MPG's with a manual, that is... a noticeable better. These days most vehicles that come with both a manual and automatic get just about the same MPGs.
 

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Long gone are the days where you'd get better MPG's with a manual, that is... a noticeable better. These days most vehicles that come with both a manual and automatic get just about the same MPGs.
Yeah, that's very true. Why is that though?

I'm still planning on getting the Renegade with the diesel engine option and manual transmission.
 

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Long gone are the days where you'd get better MPG's with a manual, that is... a noticeable better. These days most vehicles that come with both a manual and automatic get just about the same MPGs.
If it was the same engine - yes. But this is a very different engine with a much smaller displacement - but with a turbo. So I would expect better numbers than the 2.4L Renegade. But due to the overall shape of the vehicle, it will not be as good as the more streamlined CUVs. I predict something along these lines
2WD:
25 City, 32 Highway
4WD:
24 City, 31 Highway
 

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Yeah, that's very true. Why is that though?

I'm still planning on getting the Renegade with the diesel engine option and manual transmission.
In the old days, autos were two or three gears. Then maybe a four with one overdrive. Then 5 became common. Now we have 6, 8, and 9.

Manual is usually 5, 6 became more common. There are some 7, but they have to cram in reverse, and after that seven is the limit due to human interface factors.

ATs lose efficiency in the viscous coupling, weigh more which increases rolling resistance, and usually had less gears. Now they tend to have more gears, have smaller packaging, and a lot has been done to limit the losses in the torque converter by using different fluid, and by using computers to control shifting and getting it past the stall speed ASAP.

The real top of the food chain are computer controlled clutches with electronic shifting. Light, faster than a human, no viscous coupling, can package more than 7 gears.
 

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These numbers are aweful :-(

The 9 Gears 4WD has been rated at 29/21 ...

A Car in this Category needs a solid over 30 on the Highway and an over 25 in the City.

We have already ruled out the Renegade, now comoetition is between HR-V and CX-3


Too bad knowing the Renegade in Europe is offered with a Diesel that does 45mpg Highway

???WHY DON'T THEY BRING IT HERE IN US???
 

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These numbers are aweful :-(

The 9 Gears 4WD has been rated at 29/21 ...

A Car in this Category needs a solid over 30 on the Highway and an over 25 in the City.

We have already ruled out the Renegade, now comoetition is between HR-V and CX-3


Too bad knowing the Renegade in Europe is offered with a Diesel that does 45mpg Highway

???WHY DON'T THEY BRING IT HERE IN US???
Why are you looking at the HR-V and CX-3 if you want a 4WD?
 

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I have also considered the CX-3 and Renegade. It all depends on the importance of priorities. For my priorities I need all weather traction, not so much trail running, and cx3 will met that with AWD. I also want edgy, and both meet that
I was looking forward to the Cx3 MPG, but boy does is look cramped, which concerned me.

For me, I was also disappointed in the mpg, however, IMO, I also don't want an anonymous looking and underpowered HRV, for a few MPG. I have tested the outlander sport, crosstrek, and Trax. After test driving a FWD Renegade Limited yesterday, I will be buying Renegade, and I was on the fence before yesterday.

As soon as they can get a limited 4WD with My sky in, I will buy. The drive, the roominess, the attention to detail, the fit and finish, the power, and the sophisticated ride (For this class anyway), clearly exceeded the others I drove. IMO of course.

At the end of the day, for me at least, I need to enjoy the ride I travel in daily during the grind . The Jeep is the only one that made me smile while driving it. To me, I can trade off a few MPG for that.
 

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Mileage isn't everything. For me, I don't want some streamlined underpowered vehicle that achieves 5 mpg more. The Renegade body style looks great and is roomy and functional. Initial reports suggest the engine(s) pull(s) the car along just fine.
 

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In the old days, autos were two or three gears. Then maybe a four with one overdrive. Then 5 became common. Now we have 6, 8, and 9.

ATs lose efficiency in the viscous coupling, weigh more which increases rolling resistance, and usually had less gears. Now they tend to have more gears, have smaller packaging, and a lot has been done to limit the losses in the torque converter by using different fluid, and by using computers to control shifting and getting it past the stall speed ASAP.

The real top of the food chain are computer controlled clutches with electronic shifting. Light, faster than a human, no viscous coupling, can package more than 7 gears.
Don't forget that with an AT, you have a driven pump (behind the torque converter) that is continuously running to generate high AT fluid pressure.... and it is on any time that the engine is running. I suspect there is some HP and gas mileage loss there.

With a manual transmission, driver expertise determines best gas mileage. There are a lot more variables with MT gas mileage which is dependent on driver habits.
 

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Don't forget that with an AT, you have a driven pump (behind the torque converter) that is continuously running to generate high AT fluid pressure.... and it is on any time that the engine is running. I suspect there is some HP and gas mileage loss there.

With a manual transmission, driver expertise determines best gas mileage. There are a lot more variables with MT gas mileage which is dependent on driver habits.
I was bundling that under "parasitic losses of a viscous coupling"
 
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