[redbuckeye]

Just curious. Is anyone else noticing the first wave of Renegades seem to have something in common? Just perusing the window stickers of the dealers near me in the Mid Atlantic region. Can't look at all the window stickers nationally given the growing volume, but is anyone else noticing a similar trend in their region?

1. No manual transmission option so far
2. No MySky option so far

 

[raz-0]

I don't know that anything has shipped with mysky yet even in the eu. As for the manual, I don't think fca expects much market demand.

 

[Reg]

That makes sense, since the fuel economy ratings have not been posted for the manual, which I suspect is prerequisite for selling the vehicle.

They may expect a low take rate, but that is the only reason I started looking at the Renegade. I am not interested in an automatic, especially the Chrysler 9-speed.

 

[SubVet]

Of the 5 Renegades I've seen "in transit" to nearby dealers, 4 are Latitudes with the 2.4L engine as their only "upgrade", and 1 is a Sport with the 2.4L "upgrade".

I haven't seen any Limited or TrailHawk en route to any of the dealers close to me. And I haven't seen so much as an upgraded sound system, let alone MySky or any other option. They all seem to be bare bones, but at least 4x4 on all of them.

 

[tony]

Have yet to see anything up here in the northern states, hoping to spot something soon!

 

[bwbike]

I don't know that anything has shipped with mysky yet even in the eu. As for the manual, I don't think fca expects much market demand.

If I can't get one with a manual transmission, I won't buy one. Simple as that.

 

[Daox13]

"in transit"

Just talked to the local dealer and they are expecting their shipment any day now and he confirmed the reports that other dealerships are receiving them in lot... he says his have a status of "in transit" next them.

 

[AllFours]

If I can't get one with a manual transmission, I won't buy one. Simple as that.

I feel the same way. Something about the Renegade; the driving experience would be much more enjoyable with a manual gear box.

 

[raz-0]

If I can't get one with a manual transmission, I won't buy one. Simple as that.

And FCA doesn't care if you and the other 16 people like you do that as long as they get inventory to the other thousand that want automatics. It's a slight exaggeration, but across all segments, for 16 people who will walk over a manual, there will be about 239 buyers for an automatic. And thats over all makes and models in the US. Now take out the portion of manual loyalists who are only looking at something sporty, how bad do you think the ratio is. IF FCA does say.. 48k units before my 2016 rolls off the boats, and NEVER ships a single manual, they are only out 3216 sales unless the renegade is super popular with manual folks.

They'll come, but only after the initial surge/shortage I suspect.

 

[Daox13]

And FCA doesn't care if you and the other 16 people like you do that as long as they get inventory to the other thousand that want automatics. It's a slight exaggeration, but across all segments, for 16 people who will walk over a manual, there will be about 239 buyers for an automatic. And thats over all makes and models in the US. Now take out the portion of manual loyalists who are only looking at something sporty, how bad do you think the ratio is. IF FCA does say.. 48k units before my 2016 rolls off the boats, and NEVER ships a single manual, they are only out 3216 sales unless the renegade is super popular with manual folks.

They'll come, but only after the initial surge/shortage I suspect.

i'm pretty sure they can just be frustrated and listing out a long explanation to try and insult them is not really a good approach either because i'm pretty sure THEY DONT CARE...

So lets reset this ego and try and place nice with others like we learned in kindergarten

 

[LonN]

And FCA doesn't care if you and the other 16 people like you do that as long as they get inventory to the other thousand that want automatics. It's a slight exaggeration, but across all segments, for 16 people who will walk over a manual, there will be about 239 buyers for an automatic. And thats over all makes and models in the US. Now take out the portion of manual loyalists who are only looking at something sporty, how bad do you think the ratio is. IF FCA does say.. 48k units before my 2016 rolls off the boats, and NEVER ships a single manual, they are only out 3216 sales unless the renegade is super popular with manual folks.

They'll come, but only after the initial surge/shortage I suspect.

I take your point - but there has to be a fair sized market - or they wouldn't bother making/offering them with a manual transmission. I suppose it could be due to FCA greed and the relative size of the markets for each drivetrain - but much more likely, the first run of US-bound Renegades came off an assembly line configuration that builds them with the 2.4L/auto - so that's what's arriving first. I'm not saying I won't buy an automated Renegade - but I really want to drive both before deciding.

 

[Hmmm!!!]

I checked some dealers sites this morning and not one single car had the smaller engine or a manual tranny. I also loves manuals, less expensive to buy, gets slightly better mpg's and makes for a fun drive.

 

[bwbike]

It's not just FCA, but the dealers. My local dealer has dozens of Patriots & Compasses. Not a single one has a manual transmission. I'm sure the sales manager ordered all these cars with automatics.

 

[redbuckeye]

Interesting that others are seeing the same thing. I agree that they could probably just be included in the second wave. Was just holding out hope that at least a few would come in the first.

And I agree the manual transmission is a niche market, but it's still a significant enough market for Jeep to include the offering in the U.S. Jeep has no problem only offering automatics (see Cherokee and Grand Cherokee). That all said, I am not expecting a great deal of choices once they do arrive.

 

[Reg]

Perhaps they offered it to impress the enthusiasts and turn it into a media darling for the publications. After all, about every professional reviewer has favorably commented on the manual.

Sure, FCA doesn't care and the numbers are insignificant, however, I will express my frustration, as Jeep happily promoted the manual frequently and prominently during pre-release.

For some of us, it is the main appeal. If I were shopping for an automatic, there are far safer bets in terms of reputation and reliability.

 

[redbuckeye]

Perhaps they offered it to impress the enthusiasts and turn it into a media darling for the publications. After all, about every professional reviewer has favorably commented on the manual.

Sure, FCA doesn't care and the numbers are insignificant, however, I will express my frustration, as Jeep happily promoted the manual frequently and prominently during pre-release.

For some of us, it is the main appeal. If I were shopping for an automatic, there are far safer bets in terms of reputation and reliability.

Well said. I'm not losing hope just yet. It is early. I just want one to test drive to see if it is even worth doing a factory order. I need to be a little more patient, I suppose.

 

[SubVet]

It's not just FCA, but the dealers. My local dealer has dozens of Patriots & Compasses. Not a single one has a manual transmission. I'm sure the sales manager ordered all these cars with automatics.

@bwbike I hate to say it but you may have to order a manual. They just don't sell like they used to. There is still a small market of hardcore manual transmission fans, but the key words are "small market". I am glad for your sake that they do offer a manual tranny, but I would not expect them to be in this initial push to get them on the lots. They will get here though!

 

[redbuckeye]

Just started another thread. Touches on this more. As well as when to expect MPG info on the manual.

http://www.jeeprenegadeforum.com/fo...962-epa-mileage-manual-option.html#post104210

 

[willieracinesjeep]

Even the Wrangler sticks aren't selling these days. The Four Door model Wranglers use to be be about 30 - 40% stick now they sit on the lot for months. We still sell a few 2 doors but the four door models starting shrinking once the 5 speed automatic was offered.

 

[raz-0]

I take your point - but there has to be a fair sized market - or they wouldn't bother making/offering them with a manual transmission. I suppose it could be due to FCA greed and the relative size of the markets for each drivetrain - but much more likely, the first run of US-bound Renegades came off an assembly line configuration that builds them with the 2.4L/auto - so that's what's arriving first. I'm not saying I won't buy an automated Renegade - but I really want to drive both before deciding.

Well once you take out the sports car type fans of manual transmissions, the next biggest "enthusiast" group for that feature are the cheap or the poor. The EU likes that feature more, they were already making it, so why not import it on the cheap trim and get some CAFE points?

The renegade has limited time to put up some decent numbers. They are importing fairly uniform offerings with the features/prices they think will move off the lots.