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Hello everybody, my name is Juan from Spain, and I wanted to get a Trailhawk model. I got surprised when they told me that front parking sensor is not available even as a pack.

Could anyone please confirm this, with the European version?

I know there is some pack for avoiding frontal collision (not available for the Trailhawk model) and the Parking Pack, with rear camera and some help to park in parallel, etc.
But I can't understand why this car has not a simple front parking sensor, even as an option.

Besides this, I wanted to get the two front red hooks, as the American Trailhawk has, but they don't know to tell me if that is available for Europe as option or accessory.

Do you guys know about this?

Thank you very much in advance.
 

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The red hooks might be obtained by ordering them in the US, but it would be illegal to put it on your car. It's not compliant with pedestrian safety regulations.
 

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The red hooks might be obtained by ordering them in the US, but it would be illegal to put it on your car. It's not compliant with pedestrian safety regulations.
I agree with what you say, in addition the front park sensor will be available with the park assist, so probably mid 2015.
no way to have front hooks in Europe.
 

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They are against pedestrian safety regulations? Really?

I wonder why exactly that is. I just don't see how the hooks are really that dangerous at all.
 

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They are against pedestrian safety regulations? Really?

I wonder why exactly that is. I just don't see how the hooks are really that dangerous at all.

Because they can shatter your legs if the bumper is squishy enough. Given jeeps comments on how many man hours they spent making them compliant, then made them go poof, I would guess they failed the tests.

You can see the examples of the way they do the test here:
http://www.euroncap.com/en/vehicle-safety/the-ratings-explained/pedestrian-protection/

it's pretty easy to see in the lower leg test why they would fail. Also, their pedestrian analogues are pretty poor, so I could see how you might do computer simulations that say you nailed the problem, but modeled an actual person rather than foam wrapped sensor things.
 

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They are against pedestrian safety regulations? Really?

I wonder why exactly that is. I just don't see how the hooks are really that dangerous at all.
They don't want you to get leg injuries when you get run over.
 

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Thank you for your replies, guys.

Yeah, the parking pack is not available yet, as the winter pack, this morning they told me it would be available for order in the middle of March.

I hope you are right and the parking pack includes that sensors, it should be as you say, cos the perpendicular and parallel park assistance should work with some kind of sensors. Anyway, they don't know yet and can't confirm by now.

About the hooks, two years ago I had the "small" Hummer H3, European, with hooks, and no problems at all. Honestly, I also think that no having hooks won't help in case of accidents. I think it's just a politically correct law.

Thank you again, guys!
 

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I also think that no having hooks won't help in case of accidents. I think it's just a politically correct law.
I also wonder if it is the parking, since at least in Paris and Rome you see all the bumpers scraped up from parking.

One guy I work with in Paris is buying a Tesla, I asked, but what about your bumpers, he said it is just an accepted fact of life to have scraped bumpers.
 

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Thank you for your replies, guys.

Yeah, the parking pack is not available yet, as the winter pack, this morning they told me it would be available for order in the middle of March.

I hope you are right and the parking pack includes that sensors, it should be as you say, cos the perpendicular and parallel park assistance should work with some kind of sensors. Anyway, they don't know yet and can't confirm by now.

About the hooks, two years ago I had the "small" Hummer H3, European, with hooks, and no problems at all. Honestly, I also think that no having hooks won't help in case of accidents. I think it's just a politically correct law.

Thank you again, guys!
The hummer H3 bumper height would probably have made the hooks an issue for the upper leg test... with a different testing apparatus... because the test is a poor approximation of an actual person.

Honestly they would probably be better off with good computer simulations and FSA. THey won't be 100% right, but they'd probably be less wrong than sensors wrapped in pool noodles.
 

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Many European countries have what they call "Ped-Pro" laws. This is the reason that many European countries don't allow the tow hooks protruding from the bumper.

This is also the reason that the MINI Cooper was elongated up front.

Take a look at a European Wrangler. In America you will notice a distinct gap between the bumper and the fender of the front wheels. In Europe the bumper curves up in front of the fender to meet it so there is no gap.

All of these changes are to increase the chance a pedestrian survives a collision with a vehicle.
 

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I also wonder if it is the parking, since at least in Paris and Rome you see all the bumpers scraped up from parking.

One guy I work with in Paris is buying a Tesla, I asked, but what about your bumpers, he said it is just an accepted fact of life to have scraped bumpers.
even in new york that's the case from what i have noticed with a good amount of cars on the road.
 

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Many European countries have what they call "Ped-Pro" laws. This is the reason that many European countries don't allow the tow hooks protruding from the bumper.

This is also the reason that the MINI Cooper was elongated up front.

Take a look at a European Wrangler. In America you will notice a distinct gap between the bumper and the fender of the front wheels. In Europe the bumper curves up in front of the fender to meet it so there is no gap.

All of these changes are to increase the chance a pedestrian survives a collision with a vehicle.
I think there may be more to it than that. In another forum a rene owner ripped the front bumper off by trying to tow the car out of mud by the detachable eye hook. Apparently it's likely the bumper on the US trailhawk is steel and bolted to the chassis whereas on the lesser models it's much weaker and the bumper won't take much stress. It could be the EU trailhawk is also weak.
 

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The eu trailhawks are missing the tow hooks because of pedestrian safety standards. I forget if it was ever determined if they have the steel or aluminum bumpers.
 

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The EU TH models definitely do not have the same mounting hardware for the red hooks ... so definitely do not try to tow a TH out by it's front tow eye! The bumper will probably come off.

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Not quite true. Maybe the UK got something different (since you're RHD) but my TrailHawk in Italy has all the mounting locations for the tow hooks. The bumper frame is the same steel unit as the US TH has. I bought the hooks on eBay from the US. But you also need to get the 5 sheet metal mounts (also on eBay) and all the bolts (including the large 27mm nut at the rear of the towhook). It cost me about 400 euro for all the parts.
You cannot order the bolts from MOPAR there are no part numbers. I used (grade 8) bolts from a local hardware store.
To install you will need to remove the lower cover to access the mounting locations.
Search on this forum for more info, I posted about my install and posted a picture of the parts needed.
 

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My bumper(the real one behind the plastic one) is definitely steel, not the alloy.
 
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