I'm pleased to see that the Renegade has a forum. I've been driving Patriots since '08 (3 of them) and will be trading in for a new ride fairly soon. I have been considering the new Cherokee but will have to rethink my choice now that the Renegade has been released. My son works at a Chrysler Jeep dealership so I'm able to get a family discount on their vehicles. I do a lot of 2 track and off road traveling in northern Michigan in the warmer weather just for fun and to get to some of my favorite fly fishing sites. I think the Renegade may be just about perfect for me.