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Just picked up a new 2015 Trailhawk in Canary Yellow last night. We're looking forward to many years of road trips and abandoned jeep trails.
 

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Whats with all the Trailhawks. Does nobody drive on roads anymore.
Think Jeep thought TH would do 20% of types sold. Must be way over that now. Or is it just TH & forums go together.
Anywho....
Welcome & enjoy :)
 
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Whats with all the Trailhawks. Does nobody drive on roads anymore.
Think Jeep thought TH would do 20% of types sold. Must be way over that now. Or is it just TH & forums go together.
Anywho....
Welcome & enjoy :)
There's another thread with a poll for people to indicate which trim level they have, which shows that about 40% of people on this forum have trailhawks. The forum obviously attracts enthusiasts. If you look at dealer inventory, the percentage of trailhawks is way lower.
 

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There's another thread with a poll for people to indicate which trim level they have, which shows that about 40% of people on this forum have trailhawks. The forum obviously attracts enthusiasts. If you look at dealer inventory, the percentage of trailhawks is way lower.

FWD models don't attract enthusiasts generally, and the triple-combination of lower ground clearance, larger and lower front valence, and lack of 20:1/rockcrawl modes probably hurts enthusiast sales of all other models. The Trailhawk is also a bargain when measured against the others, if one doesn't care about excessive user-touched electronics or leather then it's extremely well priced for the amount of capability, and there's literally no other competitor to it on the market.

She wanted a truck-type driving position and upwards of 30MPG. I wanted a capable 4x4 that wouldn't scrape-up the front clip. This was the only vehicle that met those two criteria.
 
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Just picked up a new 2015 Trailhawk in Canary Yellow last night. We're looking forward to many years of road trips and abandoned jeep trails.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Renegades AND Trailhawks!
 
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Just picked up a new 2015 Trailhawk in Canary Yellow last night. We're looking forward to many years of road trips and abandoned jeep trails.
Welcome to the forum!

There's another thread with a poll for people to indicate which trim level they have, which shows that about 40% of people on this forum have trailhawks. The forum obviously attracts enthusiasts. If you look at dealer inventory, the percentage of trailhawks is way lower.
Yup. This one asks your drivetrain combination and this one asks the trim.
 

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FWD models don't attract enthusiasts generally, and the triple-combination of lower ground clearance, larger and lower front valence, and lack of 20:1/rockcrawl modes probably hurts enthusiast sales of all other models. The Trailhawk is also a bargain when measured against the others, if one doesn't care about excessive user-touched electronics or leather then it's extremely well priced for the amount of capability, and there's literally no other competitor to it on the market.

She wanted a truck-type driving position and upwards of 30MPG. I wanted a capable 4x4 that wouldn't scrape-up the front clip. This was the only vehicle that met those two criteria.
I'd argue there's another flavor for enthusiasts too, the 1.4T/Manual transmission versions, especially the AWD ones.

Lower Ground Clearance
  • Front-wheel Dr: 6.7"
  • 4WD, non-Trail: 7.9"
  • 4WD, Trailhawk: 8.7"
The non-TH's are off only by 0.8 inches; that's 90% of the ground clearance the Trailhawks have. Furthermore, if you look at the tire difference (215/65R16 vs 215/65R17), you'll see that both 16" and 17" wheels have tires with the exact same sidewall height, however, the TH's are on an inch larger diameter wheel which translates into one half of said inch below the hub contributing to its extra ground clearance. In short, I can make up 0.5" of the 0.8" I'm down on just from matching your tire/wheel size and be within 97% of your ground clearance.

Front Valence
There's no denying the TH bumper cover is the way to go. I've been keeping an eye out for scrapped Trailhawks so I can scavenge its bumper and tow hooks.

Crawl Ratio
First Gear Ratio × Axle Ratio (aka Final Drive) = Final Ratio
  • 1.4 Turbo Manual: 4.154 × 4.438 = 18.44:1
  • 2.4 Auto, non-TH: 4.700 × 3.734 = 17.55:1
  • 2.4 Auto, TrailH: 4.700 × 4.334 = 20.37:1
As these transversely-mounted engines aren't coupled to a traditional transfer case with an independent low range gear, "low range" in the Renegade is simply starting off in 1st gear. Note how the TH has shorter axle ratio than non-THs with the same engine/transmission. The taller gearing in non-THs is part of the reason why some drivers say their car never gets into 9th gear — 9th is so tall; the shorter gearing in TH is why some drivers start off in 2nd gear from a stop — 1st is so short. The manual transmission's 1st gear isn't as short but it's partly made up for with an axle ratio even shorter than Trailhawk's. With that, 1.4T/manual renegades have a final torque ratio that's 91% that of Trailhawks.

Furthermore, if we attach the engine's max torque output to its respective final torque ratio, we see the 2.4 naturally-aspirated I4's 175 lb•ft with the Trailhawk's 20.37:1 torque multiplication yields a maximum torque of 3565 lb•ft to the wheels in first (excluding mechanical loss). The 1.4T's 184 lb•ft and with its 17.55:1 torque multiplication yields a maximum torque of 3393 lb•ft. So realistically, instead of saying the 1.4T is within 91% of the TH's final torque ratio, it's more relevant to say the 1.4T is within 95% of the TH's torque to the ground.

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So yes, the Trailhawk undoubtedly has other trims beat with respect to its off-road prowess. The underbody protection and its supposed extra electrical seals for water fording as well help it out. Nonetheless, a manually-equipped Renegade isn't terribly far behind some of the meat and potatoes stuff, and in others (ground clearance and approach angle), can be easily made to match it. In other words, if one really wanted a stick-shift Trailhawk (like me), it's far, far easier to start with a 1.4T/manual and add some Trailhawk doo-dads than do a transmission swap in a Trailhawk.

And finally, there is some extra cool points for the manual, in my humble opinion. Car driving enthusiasts in general normally fancy a manual as it makes the driving experience more engaging. Also, A stick shift SUV is pretty rare, and a stick shift SUV with all-wheel drive is even rarer with just four options in total (Crosstrek, Forester, Countryman, and Renegade are it). The 1.4T can also have a notable bump in performance for just a few hundred dollars as it's easier to extract more power from a factory-tuned turbocharged engine than it is a naturally-aspirated one (for little money, anyway). I've been keeping an eye on a few tuners, notable Madness Autoworks, to see what some dyno numbers look like and how its reliability is.

Anywho, in short, while I'd agree by not having those aforementioned TH features does indeed "hurt enthusiast sales," I'd nonetheless argue that a TH Renegade and a 1.4T/Manual AWD Renegade attract enthusiasts alike and perhaps even in equal measure.

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The Bargain
By not paying more for the automatic ($1400 on Latitude), the manual is quite the bargain, too. A Limited 1.4T/Manual 4x4 with Cold Weather Pkg is $24,835 after destination. At the time I purchased mine, $1500 of rebate and $1k off from dealer made it $22,335. That's a a pretty tiny number for such a lot of car!
 

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Bet your sorry you said Hello now. :D
nah I'm good. If people on the Internet could make me mad then I'd need to get-out more... *grin*

I am a little surprised that they didn't package at least the manual transmission with the Trailhawk suspension/body. I know a few people that like their four wheel drives to be of the manual-variety, and two of the three that my parents have had throughout the years were like this. I'm sure that a fair number of buyers are dissatisfied because of this.

I've never been a huge fan of forced-induction in off-pavement applications. I've read enough horror stories to not want a breakdown away from pavement as the recovery costs are so high. Had my wife not wanted this vehicle I'd probably have looked for something much older and much more basic in its mechanical design- maybe not quite as far back as WWII or M38, but CJ-5 or M38A1 was on my mind.

So, admittedly in some ways the Rene is a compromise for us, but it feels like it'll be at least as capable as the old first-gen Isuzu Trooper I grew up with or the Chevy Tracker and Hyundai Santa Fe that my folks currently have. That should be good enough for anything we'll throw at it.
 
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