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Hello,
My girlfriend has been on the market for a new high efficiency car, and we were evaluating the Nissan Juke amoung other not suv cars, but i have just been in a vacation with her to Italy where my Uncle just purchased a Renegade 2.0l Diesel with 170hp MultiJet.

We used that car a lot to travel around Italy, i drove it myself quite a bit and even my Girlfriend tried it too: WE LOVED IT

It's funny the fact that she didn't even realize it was a Diesel until we actually told her.

She always thought Diesels were noisy and slow, but this is not one of those old school Diesels... This is a MULTIJET Diesel Engine, it revs up just like a Gasoline Motor, in fact she was Driving it and din't realize it was a Diesel.

Then at one point she started getting impressed with the Power, and right then i told her:
"By the way: THIS IS A DIESEL"

She was totally impressed, and i have to say it myself: WOW, this Motor puts down some serious Performance, from 2000rpm all the way up to 4000rpm, it pushes and pushes without a miss, and it catches speed FAST, and now: she is in love, SHE WANT'S IT!

My uncle made a couple of "Italian overtakes" and we were all glued to the seats!

We took several trips in it, and despite the crazy high fuel prices in Italy (converts to $10 a Gallon), we spent very little thanks to the Diesel MultiJet Motor... It really changed my Girlfriend's mind about Diesel Engines and she has put aside the idea of getting the Juke for now.

We did some calculations, and it turned out we were doing 43-45mpg... Now THAT'S HIGH EFFICIENCY and it is what we need for our upcoming family:

A car we can take a trip in without worrying about Gas!

Question is: is there a way we can get it here?

I went the other day to a Jeep dealership to inquire about an automatic one, and other than the fact they still didn't have it here in US they told me that probably the only one we will get in US is a 1.4 liter manual and a 2.4 liter automatic both Gasolines that do about 30mpg Highway... That's not enough for us.

The guybsaid that it's due to the lack of Sales thatbthey don't bring the Diesel, BUT how can it be lack of Sales of here in the US there are not Diesels?
With the exception of PickUps and some humongous SUV that have Big Diesel Motors, on the US Market you can barely find a Diesel Car below 2.0liters that do 40 or even 50+ mpg, and that's instead what we need!

(And would be ridiculous, why only Italy get's the High Efficiency Motor and not America that actually created the Renegade?)

My Girlfriend needs a fuel efficient car that does at least 30mpg combined, she always had SUVs and she wants an SUV still, but here in US all SUVs are gas guzzler and we had to starting looking into other normal cars that offer better mileage, but this Renegade Diesel totally made our hopes up.

America needs a Small SUV thatbdoes more than 40mpg on the Highway, so a new family can easily take a Trip without having to take in account how much Gas the Car will use.

WE NEED IT

I sure hope the Dealer Dude was wrong and a Diesel Renegade comes here to the US... If they started selling the Renegade 2.0 Diesel MultiJet here in US now, We would order it before the end of the year for sure.

REGARDS
 

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I would be totally up for a $4k price increase for a good Diesel.

A Diesel Motor last much longer, is more reliable and maintenance intervals are longer...

I rather spend a bit more and get a better Motor and in the long run it pays back, especially since we buy a car and plan to keep it more than 5+ years and Drive more than 20k miles per year... It would be totally worth it!
 

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FCA saw great success with their diesel ram truck so maybe they will do some more diesel stuff with Jeep. I think that the bigger vehicles would get it before the Renegade though.
that is also something i'm aware of and it's one of the things signaling their move for more diesels, which is hopefully the case with Chrysler as a whole, especially in this case with the Renegade.
 

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Here in Europe buying such a bulky/heavy (for our standard) car with a diesel engine is a no brainer (Big torque and good fuel economy), why is diesel still so unpopular in the US?
Most because of the big black cloud diesels of the 80's, the automakers charge an arm and leg for the option and the premium cost of diesel so no true fuel saving as far as cost go.

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I wouldn't buy a Renegade with a gasoline engine. I would, however, highly considering buying one with a diesel option. IMO, it would be a mistake if they didn't bring the diesel over here.
Why are you so against a gasoline Renegade? Sure you may prefer the diesel over the gasoline, but what makes you not even consider the gasoline engine at all?
 

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Great review, glad to hear that you really like it.
It helps to hear it from someone other than an automotive journalist as at times you do get different views coming from a different mindset.
 

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Why are you so against a gasoline Renegade? Sure you may prefer the diesel over the gasoline, but what makes you not even consider the gasoline engine at all?


The only reason why I would buy the Renegade is for commuting purposes. I live in mountainous terrain, and gasoline engines do not have the low-end torque to hold the gears. At my elevation and terrain, the gasoline engine would be hunting for gears. And from the estimated fuel economy numbers I've seen, the diesel significantly achieves better fuel economy than it's gasoline counterpart. Something as small as the Renegade is useless to me if it can't average at least 36 - 38 mpg.
 

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The only reason why I would buy the Renegade is for commuting purposes. I live in mountainous terrain, and gasoline engines do not have the low-end torque to hold the gears. At my elevation and terrain, the gasoline engine would be hunting for gears. And from the estimated fuel economy numbers I've seen, the diesel significantly achieves better fuel economy than it's gasoline counterpart. Something as small as the Renegade is useless to me if it can't average at least 36 - 38 mpg.
So the Renegade Diesel just runs in average 30% Urban 70% Highway with speed at 130-135 km/h on just about 7.2 ltr/100km thats about 32.63mpg

I guess you can stretch this by driving without AC to 36.15 mpg

i am actually testing it with speed limit 120 km/h on Highway with AC off
average BC says is now 6.9 ltr./km that´s about 34.10 mpg at the moment but i had the AC disarmed just today so i need a few more km with this parameters ...
 

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This Bugs me a lot... I have Family Relatives in Brazil, and they are getting 2 or the Diesel Renegade.


WHY? WHY? WHY? In the US they are not bringing not even one.

The new Renegade barely get's 30mpg, that put's it in line with just about all the other Small SUVs of the Competition.


FIAT, thank's to it's MultiJet Patent, makes the Best Diesels in the World as far as Performance and Efficiency.

For the Renegade they have a:

- Diesel MultiJet 2.0L with 170hp that is rated at 45mpg

- Diesel MultiJet 1.6L with 120hp that is rated at 54mpg


But FIAT also makes a

- Diesel MultiJet 1.3L with 95hp that is rated at 63mpg


THIS IS FUEL EFFICIENCY

why in the World they don't beat down the Competition, here in US, with one of these real efficient Motors?


Imagine This:

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Nissan Juke 1.6L 184hp = 35mpg

Mazda CX-5 2.0L 160hp = 33mpg

Honda HR-V 1.5L 130hp = 36mpg

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Jeep Renegade 2.0L 170hp = 45mpg

Jeep Renegade 1.6L 120hp = 54mpg

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That would totally Crush the Competition... Why don't they bring one here and start an add campaign like:

" Renegade Diesel: 45 or 54mpg ... You make the choice! "


If they did that, i am sure they would sell it like crazy, but by showing up against "Juke" , "CX-5" , "HR-V" with a barely 30mpg Renegade...

In this Market Segment the Fuel Efficiency is the main key, FIAT/JEEP is really mossing out here

I believe they are making a truly bad choice by not bringing the Diesel here in USA

CIAO
 

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This Bugs me a lot... I have Family Relatives in Brazil, and they are getting 2 or the Diesel Renegade.


WHY? WHY? WHY? In the US they are not bringing not even one.

The new Renegade barely get's 30mpg, that put's it in line with just about all the other Small SUVs of the Competition.


FIAT, thank's to it's MultiJet Patent, makes the Best Diesels in the World as far as Performance and Efficiency.

For the Renegade they have a:

- Diesel MultiJet 2.0L with 170hp that is rated at 45mpg

- Diesel MultiJet 1.6L with 120hp that is rated at 54mpg


But FIAT also makes a

- Diesel MultiJet 1.3L with 95hp that is rated at 63mpg


THIS IS FUEL EFFICIENCY

why in the World they don't beat down the Competition, here in US, with one of these real efficient Motors?


Imagine This:

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Nissan Juke 1.6L 184hp = 35mpg

Mazda CX-5 2.0L 160hp = 33mpg

Honda HR-V 1.5L 130hp = 36mpg

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Jeep Renegade 2.0L 170hp = 45mpg

Jeep Renegade 1.6L 120hp = 54mpg

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That would totally Crush the Competition... Why don't they bring one here and start an add campaign like:

" Renegade Diesel: 45 or 54mpg ... You make the choice! "


If they did that, i am sure they would sell it like crazy, but by showing up against "Juke" , "CX-5" , "HR-V" with a barely 30mpg Renegade...

In this Market Segment the Fuel Efficiency is the main key, FIAT/JEEP is really mossing out here

I believe they are making a truly bad choice by not bringing the Diesel here in USA

CIAO
Perhaps Jeep wants to use engines built in US ?
Or perhaps Diesel engines are more expensives ?
Or perhaps it's a question of legislation (CO2) ?
 

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Perhaps Jeep wants to use engines built in US ?
Or perhaps Diesel engines are more expensives ?
Or perhaps it's a question of legislation (CO2) ?
Hmmm maybe you're not aware of this, but the Diesels made with FIAT MultiJet Technology manage to have lower emissions than Gasoline Motors.

Actually, in extreme cases like in cities like Roma or Milano, the fumes coming out of a MultiJet Diesel Exhaust are cleaber than the city air.

I know, sounds ridiculous, and aweful, but it really happened.

When FIAT Patented the Diesel MultiJet Technology, theybreally surprised the world with it.

There are bunch of car Manufacturers that purchase from FIAT the Diesel Engines to put in their cars... In the list you can find Opel (known in US as Saturn) as well as Suzuki, Saab sells some Models with it and also Chevy and Cadillac.

It is a goid Tech and it has been evolved a lot... In 2012 they patented the Evolution of the MultiJet and they increased the power output considerably while maintaining Fuel Efficiency and theybstill meet thebultra tough European Emission Requirements known as EURO6.

I think the issue here is just a marketing strategy... A stupid one in a way, but maybe once the market is saturated by 30mpg cars, they will start selling 40 mpg cars

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This is the Table of Emissions Limit in Europe:


https://blogpuneet.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/1.jpg


Look at the latest 2 Standard Enforced in the last Year

EURO 5 & EURO 6


They are much stricted tan the US Emissions Limits and the Gasoline are allowed to produce more NOx Enissions than they what allow on Diesels...

No worries, the FIAT Diesels will pass the inspection ;-)
 

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Maybe asking customers to pay an additional $4,000 + tax for a diesel is scaring them. To produce and ship them to the US and find out people won't pay the extra.......

There's a lot of people, including myself, who would gladly pay $4K more for a diesel option. As a matter of fact, it's the only way I would consider the Renegade. Think about all the people who pay $8K more for the Cummins Turbo Diesel in the Ram, just because they want the DIESEL!
 

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Perhaps Jeep wants to use engines built in US ?
Or perhaps Diesel engines are more expensives ?
Or perhaps it's a question of legislation (CO2) ?
As far as I cna tell from reading up on FCA diesels already in the US, it is cost of the engines vs. the model cost and FCA's ability to implement US compliant particulate control measures effectively, which some people claim is also a cost thing.

The only place they have managed to make diesel attractive is in the 1500. It's expensive, and when you look at the packaging, absurdly expensive, in the grand cherokee. The pickup has a lot of margin built in, so likely they both upcharge the customer and take out some of the margin, because the alternative is cede market share in the light truck market that they fought VERY hard to take. This boils down to forcing you to fork over $10k over base for model trim, which isn't THAT different form the base, and then charge you $4,200 more for the v6 diesel. For jeep, they shove you into the top trim GC and charge you $5000.

Bringing that math to an econo box sold at econo box prices won't work in the US. In the EU where you can take some of the cost out of the tax burden on the vehicle, and econo boxes sell at a higher price point, you can do it. For the rest of the world, they are either going to be offering it up in markets where you can pull costs out of the car someplace (airbags? not required? GONE!) to cover the cost, also quite possibly with different, less complex diesel engines that can't be sold here or in the EU for emissions reasons.
 
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