i Drove the RENEGADE Diesel... LOVE IT!!!

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CrazySte

Discussion Starter · Nov 2, 2014

Hello,
My girlfriend has been on the market for a new high efficiency car, and we were evaluating the Nissan Juke amoung other not suv cars, but i have just been in a vacation with her to Italy where my Uncle just purchased a Renegade 2.0l Diesel with 170hp MultiJet.

We used that car a lot to travel around Italy, i drove it myself quite a bit and even my Girlfriend tried it too: WE LOVED IT

It's funny the fact that she didn't even realize it was a Diesel until we actually told her.

She always thought Diesels were noisy and slow, but this is not one of those old school Diesels... This is a MULTIJET Diesel Engine, it revs up just like a Gasoline Motor, in fact she was Driving it and din't realize it was a Diesel.

Then at one point she started getting impressed with the Power, and right then i told her:
"By the way: THIS IS A DIESEL"

She was totally impressed, and i have to say it myself: WOW, this Motor puts down some serious Performance, from 2000rpm all the way up to 4000rpm, it pushes and pushes without a miss, and it catches speed FAST, and now: she is in love, SHE WANT'S IT!

My uncle made a couple of "Italian overtakes" and we were all glued to the seats!

We took several trips in it, and despite the crazy high fuel prices in Italy (converts to $10 a Gallon), we spent very little thanks to the Diesel MultiJet Motor... It really changed my Girlfriend's mind about Diesel Engines and she has put aside the idea of getting the Juke for now.

We did some calculations, and it turned out we were doing 43-45mpg... Now THAT'S HIGH EFFICIENCY and it is what we need for our upcoming family:

A car we can take a trip in without worrying about Gas!

Question is: is there a way we can get it here?

I went the other day to a Jeep dealership to inquire about an automatic one, and other than the fact they still didn't have it here in US they told me that probably the only one we will get in US is a 1.4 liter manual and a 2.4 liter automatic both Gasolines that do about 30mpg Highway... That's not enough for us.

The guybsaid that it's due to the lack of Sales thatbthey don't bring the Diesel, BUT how can it be lack of Sales of here in the US there are not Diesels?
With the exception of PickUps and some humongous SUV that have Big Diesel Motors, on the US Market you can barely find a Diesel Car below 2.0liters that do 40 or even 50+ mpg, and that's instead what we need!

(And would be ridiculous, why only Italy get's the High Efficiency Motor and not America that actually created the Renegade?)

My Girlfriend needs a fuel efficient car that does at least 30mpg combined, she always had SUVs and she wants an SUV still, but here in US all SUVs are gas guzzler and we had to starting looking into other normal cars that offer better mileage, but this Renegade Diesel totally made our hopes up.

America needs a Small SUV thatbdoes more than 40mpg on the Highway, so a new family can easily take a Trip without having to take in account how much Gas the Car will use.

WE NEED IT

I sure hope the Dealer Dude was wrong and a Diesel Renegade comes here to the US... If they started selling the Renegade 2.0 Diesel MultiJet here in US now, We would order it before the end of the year for sure.

REGARDS

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· #20 · Nov 19, 2014

magidea said:
Perhaps Jeep wants to use engines built in US ?
Or perhaps Diesel engines are more expensives ?
Or perhaps it's a question of legislation (CO2) ?

As far as I cna tell from reading up on FCA diesels already in the US, it is cost of the engines vs. the model cost and FCA's ability to implement US compliant particulate control measures effectively, which some people claim is also a cost thing.

The only place they have managed to make diesel attractive is in the 1500. It's expensive, and when you look at the packaging, absurdly expensive, in the grand cherokee. The pickup has a lot of margin built in, so likely they both upcharge the customer and take out some of the margin, because the alternative is cede market share in the light truck market that they fought VERY hard to take. This boils down to forcing you to fork over $10k over base for model trim, which isn't THAT different form the base, and then charge you $4,200 more for the v6 diesel. For jeep, they shove you into the top trim GC and charge you $5000.

Bringing that math to an econo box sold at econo box prices won't work in the US. In the EU where you can take some of the cost out of the tax burden on the vehicle, and econo boxes sell at a higher price point, you can do it. For the rest of the world, they are either going to be offering it up in markets where you can pull costs out of the car someplace (airbags? not required? GONE!) to cover the cost, also quite possibly with different, less complex diesel engines that can't be sold here or in the EU for emissions reasons.

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· #23 · Nov 19, 2014

dieselenthusiast said:
And according to Ram and Jeep, they are exceeding sale expectations for the diesel option in the Ram 1500 and the Grand Cherokee, which tells me that people will pay more for the diesel and the demand is there.

Yes, but the reality is they are selling it as a $5000 option on a vehicle where to select that optio you ahve to hand them $10k in options for the ram and something like 16k of options on the GC.

Would you pay $6-8k for diesel on a renegade? Howabout $12k?

The only claimed leak of US renegade trailhawk prices say just under $25k base, working off the pre-VAT german price, You'd be looking at something between $33.6k - $34k for a really stripped TH. IF you assume like in other models they will option pack the diesel as well, you could be looking at something like $35-37k for a diesel. i.e. between option packing and the diesel option, about $10-12k as an option. And they'd STILL be making less margin than what they offer it on.

They might be bringing it for 2017, but I wouldn't count on it. Classified as a truck, they can probably deal with that round of CAFE by spending less and incentivizing the 2WD models, or by spending less and raising the price of the awd/4wd models to disincentivize their sales.

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· #27 · Nov 20, 2014

Keep in mind that as much as you want the diesel, the US car market is about price first and foremost, and any diesel arguments made right now are happening in the face of falling oil and gasoline prices. On a longer timeline where those will rise again, diesel is facing increasing particulate restrictions. If you want low horsepower and high torque, electric kicks butt, especially that torque being max at 0RPM.

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· #30 · Nov 21, 2014

yeah, but if nice torquey acceleration off the line is what you like, electric will make you laugh like a little kid.

I'm not saying diesel sucks, I'm saying it carries a price premium heading into a cost sensitive market with declining gasoline prices. Unless the decline is short lived, those declining prices reversing is going to be just in time for diesel to be hit up with even more EPA restrictions.

As fro fiat making tons of diesels and there should be no price increase, jeep in the US represents about as many units moved as fiat for the EU. The only way significantly bumping demand wouldn't affect pricing is if they have a ton of spare capacity in the production facilities.

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· #32 · Nov 26, 2014

I read that as there's a packaging issue. Which probably means only the 4cyl would fit. If that is the case, I suspect that given the weight, they don't see that performing well enough to justify making it the most expensive model by $5k.

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