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The only place they have managed to make diesel attractive is in the 1500. It's expensive, and when you look at the packaging, absurdly expensive, in the grand cherokee.

And according to Ram and Jeep, they are exceeding sale expectations for the diesel option in the Ram 1500 and the Grand Cherokee, which tells me that people will pay more for the diesel and the demand is there.
 

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That would totally Crush the Competition... Why don't they bring one here and start an add campaign like:

" Renegade Diesel: 45 or 54mpg ... You make the choice! "


Jeep wouldn't be able to keep the diesel Renegade on the lot, which leads me to believe that is the problem. They probably can't manufacture enough diesel Renegades to launch right away, so they will probably make them available in 2017. It's the same problem for the Ram Ecodiesel. A friend of mine ordered his Ecodiesel back in July and still hasn't received it. The dealers says they can't keep the Ecodiesel on the lot for more than a week, and if one does last more than a week it usually because it's a 2WD and most people want the 4WD. Ram said they are exceeding diesels sales in numbers they didn't think would happen. And yes, most Ecodiesels are being sold in the high-end packages.
 

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And according to Ram and Jeep, they are exceeding sale expectations for the diesel option in the Ram 1500 and the Grand Cherokee, which tells me that people will pay more for the diesel and the demand is there.
Yes, but the reality is they are selling it as a $5000 option on a vehicle where to select that optio you ahve to hand them $10k in options for the ram and something like 16k of options on the GC.

Would you pay $6-8k for diesel on a renegade? Howabout $12k?

The only claimed leak of US renegade trailhawk prices say just under $25k base, working off the pre-VAT german price, You'd be looking at something between $33.6k - $34k for a really stripped TH. IF you assume like in other models they will option pack the diesel as well, you could be looking at something like $35-37k for a diesel. i.e. between option packing and the diesel option, about $10-12k as an option. And they'd STILL be making less margin than what they offer it on.

They might be bringing it for 2017, but I wouldn't count on it. Classified as a truck, they can probably deal with that round of CAFE by spending less and incentivizing the 2WD models, or by spending less and raising the price of the awd/4wd models to disincentivize their sales.
 

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They are building the diesel renegade engines in such mass quantity that I don't think the markup will be very high for the diesel option. I would estimate the cost difference (gas vs. diesel) to be somewhere between $2,500 and $3,500 IF they make it to the USA market.


As I've said before, there's a sizeable market who want diesel. The Ram Cummins, Ram Ecodiesel, and Jeep Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel are exceeding sale projections to the point that other auto manufacturers are scrambling to compete. For those who can't afford the Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel, the diesel Renegade would be their opportunity to seize the moment.
 

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I did search online for Sales Report and as of July of 2014 the sales of the Grand Cherokee Diesel were below 10% and that is why Jeep decided not to start selling the normal Cherokee in Diesel as well.

They want at least 20% of the Grand Cherokee to be sold with Diesel before they consider other Diesel models.

WELL... THAT IS STUPID

the Grand Cherokee is quite a big Car, and despite the High Efficiency of the Diesel, it can barely make it above 30mpg.


FIAT NEEDS TO BE AGGRESSIVE WHERE THEY ARE BEST

Small High Efficiency Engines with High Performances.

A 30mpg Grand Cherokee is nice, but is still just a 30mpg Car which for many is not a good mileage at all.


FIAT needs to bring here it's 2.0L and the 1.6L Diesels and show off with Cars that do more than 40 and 50mpg.

THAT WOULD TURN MANY HEADS

And once people go to try a Jeep that does 45mpg, people will realize how good FIAT Diesels really are and they will start buying them.

But until you spark people attention with a High MPG Rating, nobody will really look into a 30mpg Diesel when a Gasoline model can do 22mpg

REGARDS
 

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Being aggressive where they are best is one of the best things to do, rather than explore other territory although exploring can also churn out some really positive results.
 

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Keep in mind that as much as you want the diesel, the US car market is about price first and foremost, and any diesel arguments made right now are happening in the face of falling oil and gasoline prices. On a longer timeline where those will rise again, diesel is facing increasing particulate restrictions. If you want low horsepower and high torque, electric kicks butt, especially that torque being max at 0RPM.
 

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Keep in mind that as much as you want the diesel, the US car market is about price first and foremost, and any diesel arguments made right now are happening in the face of falling oil and gasoline prices. On a longer timeline where those will rise again, diesel is facing increasing particulate restrictions. If you want low horsepower and high torque, electric kicks butt, especially that torque being max at 0RPM.


You really believe that Diesels are low Performance Engines?

Because the reality is totally opposite, i promise you, with the Multi Injection Technology Diesels became extremely performant and while eliminating the famous "dark clouds" ;-)

In Europe Diesels have been winning in several types of Racing for many many years now, at the point that Diesels have more restrictions than Gasolines.

The Performance advantage is easily noticeable ... let's see an example with:



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JEEP Renegade 2.0L Diesel with 170hp (FIAT Multijet Diesel engine technology)


MAX POWER: 170hp @ 3750rpm

MAX TORQUE: 350Nm @ 1500-2000rpm (258 lb-ft)

MAX RPM: 4500rpm

TORQUE @ 3750rpm: 333Nm (245 lb-ft)

TORQUE @ 4500rpm: 315Nm (232 lb-ft)

POWER @ 4500rpm: 153bhp

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These are literally Kick Axx Performance... how many Diesels are there on the market that Rev above 4000rpm?

Furthermore... how many Diesels are there on the market that at 4500rpm still deliver 90% of the Max Torque?


IT IS SIMPLY AMAZING

Between 1500rpm and 4500rpm there is a Torque Difference of about 10%... a 10% loss in Torque in a range of 3000rpm.


That's a lot of RPMs you have to enjoy the full push of the Motor.


Take the competition of VW Injector Pump Diesels and by 3500rpm they are down to 70% of the max torque.


This could be another nice Selling point:

Jeep Renegade Diesel MultiJet ... : ... never stops pushing!


If you combine these performances with the fact it does 45mpg... well, i am definitely willing to spare out a few more thousands to get it!


And i even believe that even the other Diesel, the 1.6L with 120Hp and 315Nm could have a good impact, although here in US i believe the more powerful Diesel is the best choice

But i could never say Diesels are for those who don't care for Performance

CIAO
 

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yup, diesel engines are some of the best when it comes to power, specifically torque, you really can't beat the kind of low end torque they get for the fuel efficiency they deliver, a great package.
 

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yeah, but if nice torquey acceleration off the line is what you like, electric will make you laugh like a little kid.

I'm not saying diesel sucks, I'm saying it carries a price premium heading into a cost sensitive market with declining gasoline prices. Unless the decline is short lived, those declining prices reversing is going to be just in time for diesel to be hit up with even more EPA restrictions.

As fro fiat making tons of diesels and there should be no price increase, jeep in the US represents about as many units moved as fiat for the EU. The only way significantly bumping demand wouldn't affect pricing is if they have a ton of spare capacity in the production facilities.
 

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The Jeep Dealerships that I have talked to have said that the Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel is selling as fast as they get them in. The smaller dealerships, especially those in lower economic depressed areas, have not received any Ecodiesels or have only gotten one or two in.

The Grand Cherokee is obviously doing well. Here are a few NEW interesting facts:

“Sales of the Jeep brand – the fastest-growing brand in the industry – were up 52 percent, the brand's best sales performance ever in the month of October. The Jeep brand's 52 percent increase was the largest percentage sales gain of any Chrysler Group brand for the month and its 13th-consecutive month of year-over-year sales gains. The Jeep brand has set a sales record in each month this year, including its all-time sales record in May. The Jeep Cherokee, Wrangler and Patriot each logged their best ever October sales. The all-new Cherokee was the brand's highest-volume seller for the second-consecutive month. Sales of the flagship Jeep Grand Cherokee were up 5 percent, its best October sales since 2003.

The Jeep brand won all five categories entered, including the coveted "SUV of Texas," in the 2014 Texas Auto Writers Association (TAWA) Texas Truck Rodeo last month. The Grand Cherokee took home the "SUV of Texas" award for the fifth-consecutive year, as well as "Mid-Size SUV of Texas." The Grand Cherokee Summit was named "Luxury Mid-Size SUV of Texas." The Wrangler earned "Off-Road Utility Vehicle of Texas" while Cherokee was named "Compact SUV of Texas." The 3.0-liter EcoDiesel in the Grand Cherokee and Ram 1500 won "Best Powertrain" in the competition.”

October sales:
4,301 Jeep Compass
6,524 Jeep Patriot
13,665 Jeep Wrangler
14,993 Jeep Grand Cherokee
15,715 Jeep Cherokee

I read somewhere that Chrysler said that the ecodiesel in the Grand Cherokee and Ram have exceeded sale projections and therefore are having difficulty keeping up with dealer enquiries and customer orders.

Author: Manley said bringing a diesel-powered Cherokee, which it now sells in Europe, to the United States is more complicated than was the decision to test the diesel waters with Grand Cherokee.

Mike Manley: “Cherokee is slightly different because of its weight and size. You never can tell, really. We’ve obviously invested in diesel for Europe. I never rule anything out with diesel for the Jeep brand,”

It seems to me that the diesel option in the Cherokee wasn’t a great fit because of the weight and size of vehicle. From what I gathered, there wasn’t a suitable engine for that application to make the diesel a worthwhile investment in the USA.
 

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I read that as there's a packaging issue. Which probably means only the 4cyl would fit. If that is the case, I suspect that given the weight, they don't see that performing well enough to justify making it the most expensive model by $5k.
 

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I drove the 140 HP Diesel Engine a few days ago, it's awsome!

BUT:
You might consider that the fuel itself can have problems at low temperatures. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_diesel_fuel).

AND:
No, a Diesel engine does not last longer than a gas engine.
there is one Important Question the decides it all: Got a turbo?
--Yes-> compareable with a non turbo gas engine with the same cubic capacity. For eg. VW we usually say it's 150k miles.
--No-> Congrats, you might reach a million miles, I killed one anyway.

And: It depends strongly on how you drive it. [Heat it up slowly / don't reach red (often).]

Anyway if you don't have problems with that, you might do as I did today: Buy a Renegade Trailhawk /yeeha

We tried a lot Compact SUV's: Opel-Vauxhall Mokka, Kia Sportage, Suzuki Jimny and Grand vitara, skoda yeti, Chev. Trax, Subaru XV(not bad this one is), Ford Kuga(Escape III) and finally the Renegade is the best of them imo. Looks best, drives best. Maybe not offtrack, but who cares, it will verry seldom drive there. It has a good MPG (they say 5,9l/100 ~> 39 MPG) and .. it looks best.
 

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Diesel pumps are appearing more and more, at least in the eastern U.S., and at stations not on trucker roads. A friend bought a diesel Audi A7 and had a long wait for it to be shipped from Germany. It is quiet and wicked fast accelerating. But a diesel Renegade? Likely it is several years out depending in part on early word-of-mouth assessment of the basic vehicle. If FCA can make enough diesel engines to satisfy the world market and the North America market tells them come on, they will come.
 

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Well... Maybe we won't need to Special Order the Renegade Diesel... I just saw this article OnLine published an Hour ago, and if it's real, I already know what will be our next car:

"http://masterherald.com/the-2015-jeep-renegade-to-arrive-at-dealerships-by-february-2015-tech-specs-reviewed/5348/"

I find it weird all of a sudden they want to import also the 1.6 ... Definitely we would go for the Diesel with no doubt anyway

Let's hope is not a hoax
 

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