A Renegade TH can get over obstacles that a Cherokee TH will hit:Drove this little trail today in the Cherokee. No way in **** a Renegade Trailhawk could have made it. The Renny stopped right before the trail got steep, and difficult.
Nice, you have an old Cherokee from the 70's. Seems like a pretty off-topic post to post in the General Discussion/Off-Road section, I'm not even going to look up what the stock clearance was on a SJ Cherokee because it doesn't even matter to anyone reading these posts.You made a poor assumption, not that there are good assumptions. I have a SJ Cherokee.
Nice! Would love to see some pics of that bad-boy,You made a poor assumption, not that there are good assumptions. I have a SJ Cherokee.
It's out of the ordinary to have a 70's era Cherokee, my bad for assuming that you're talking about a newer Cherokee when you said 'my Cherokee is so much better than a Renegade TH off-road'. I don't see the relevance to this thread, unless you're trying to bash Renegades which you've already assured us that you're not.How is watching a Renegade Trailhawk try to conquer a trail off topic?
I still don't understand the mentality that .6 degrees of an approach angle drastically makes the Cherokee easier to <ahem> "Smash bumper first into a rock or bottom out."A Renegade TH can get over obstacles that a Cherokee TH will hit:
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Stock for stock, the Renegade TH is the better choice for rough trails. Your opinion is just that, an opinion. The published numbers are the truth. The Cherokee TH has a better crawl ratio and a real locking dif, but all that is useless if you smash bumper first into a rock or bottom out.
Now if you wanted to have a debate about which one has more potential modified, that's a different story.
It's the difference between clearing/slightly scraping on an obstacle and hitting it. In the case of bottoming out, the Renegade is at an even greater advantage than the approach angle you just quoted, since the two vehicles have similar approach. Where did you hear me say that the Renegade is 'drastically' better than a Cherokee offroad? All I said is that a Renegade TH has an advantage offroad due to it's superior angles. There are multiple people of this forum who seem to be under the impression that the Cherokee TH is the superior choice for trail riding as though the locking dif and crawl ratio will magically move obstacles out of the way on the trail for you. I've been offroading with guys who have 2wd trucks that got farther than some of the 4x4's due to clearance mostly.I still don't understand the mentality that .6 degrees of an approach angle drastically makes the Cherokee easier to <ahem> "Smash bumper first into a rock or bottom out."
In the end, they're comparing a cross-over SUV vehicle, against two purpose built SUVs. It's an apples to oranges situation. Once of which costs $20k+ more than the BU TH.
I just wanted to point of that the OP said he does own a renegade and posted a picture of his cherokee and renegade.It's the difference between clearing/slightly scraping on an obstacle and hitting it. In the case of bottoming out, the Renegade is at an even greater advantage than the approach angle you just quoted, since the two vehicles have similar approach. Where did you hear me say that the Renegade is 'drastically' better than a Cherokee offroad? All I said is that a Renegade TH has an advantage offroad due to it's superior angles. There are multiple people of this forum who seem to be under the impression that the Cherokee TH is the superior choice for trail riding as though the locking dif and crawl ratio will magically move obstacles out of the way on the trail for you. I've been offroading with guys who have 2wd trucks that got farther than some of the 4x4's due to clearance mostly.I still don't understand the mentality that .6 degrees of an approach angle drastically makes the Cherokee easier to <ahem> "Smash bumper first into a rock or bottom out."
In the end, they're comparing a cross-over SUV vehicle, against two purpose built SUVs. It's an apples to oranges situation. Once of which costs $20k+ more than the BU TH.
I just put in my two cents on the subject, but I was mistaken in thinking that the OP was talking about a newer Cherokee.
The whole premise of that video was to poo-poo Renegades, it was not a real comparison and who compares cross-over SUVs to a Wrangler offroad in the first place? Then the OP comes back in here to further bash Renegade TH's (which he doesn't even own) saying his modified Jeep from the 70's is much better on the trails. If I had noticed that he was talking about an old Cherokee, I never would have replied to him in the first place, this whole thread seems kind of trolly down to the intentionally controversial thread title and video, and I fell for it. My bad.