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My new orange Renegade Latitude has a 1.4 6-speed manual trans. I admit it is slightly under-powered. My wife now wants one but in yellow, with an automatic trans. I understand the 9-speed automatic is a beast and causing quite a few problems with software and sometimes total transmission replacements. I am trying to talk her in to the manual transmission but she is being stubborn although she knows how to drive a stick. Any opinions out there? Automatic issues etc ?? Thanks :)
 

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My new orange Renegade Latitude has a 1.4 6-speed manual trans. I admit it is slightly under-powered. My wife now wants one but in yellow, with an automatic trans. I understand the 9-speed automatic is a beast and causing quite a few problems with software and sometimes total transmission replacements. I am trying to talk her in to the manual transmission but she is being stubborn although she knows how to drive a stick. Any opinions out there? Automatic issues etc ?? Thanks :)
Well my trailhawk is in the shop at the moment. Like a lot of the folks with drivetrain issues, so far all signs point to software issues and a possible power transfer unit failure to go with it. That's what the vehicle believes the problem is, and it disabled AWD.

What I can tell you is that with AWD disabled, the transmission is even smoother feeling than before, and still behaved like a perfectly healthy transmission based on my past experiences with other ATs that have experienced failure (i.e. diferent design, not the 9 speed).

So the downside is I'm a data point for powertrain failure. Upside is that it didn't leave me stranded on the side of the road.

At this point and time, I'm of the opinion that the only issue mentioned on here to date that is intrinsically an artifact of the 9-speed's engineering and implementation is the long 4-5 and 5-4 shift, which is due to it being the longest distance components in the system have to move to complete the shift.

I'm inclined to believe that most of the issues on the renegade are jeep software or the AWD system design. The vehicle had a few quirks I attributed to the 9-speed. One was a booming growling on acceleration. HAving had a chance to ride shotgun and listen now, I think that is just due to the fact that as an inline 4, it will have a point where it's exhaust generate an additive beat tone, and that unfortunately happens at about 1800-200rpm. Second was a whine on deceleration. With the AWD disabled, this doesn't seem to be happening anymore, which would imply it originated with the clutch pack back (this notion is reinforced by the fact that prior to having the ECU flip out and flag anything, that whine had gotten louder and started sounding like the straight cut gears you hear when backing up a car). Third was a propensity to engine brake rather aggressively. Granted once it cut out the 4wd, I didn't drive any farther than needed to get home and then to the dealer, but in those trips, no aggressive engine braking feeling.

There are way more instances of PTU replacement and control module failure/replacement as the end result of driveline complaints here than of actual bad transmissions that need replacing. If your worry is not having to interact with the dealer, I'd avoid it. The system as a whole is having teething pains, and at the very least is likely to go through several iterations of firmware updates IMO. If your concern is about being stuck in the middle of nowhere, I suspect the 9 speed doesn't differ much the industry norm. THE AWD setup might, but it has a failure mode that will allow you to hobble home.
 

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The 9 spped automatic different behavior is also because the way it is designed, it uses "traditional" friction clutches but also dog clutches.
An interesting article -> ZF’s 9-Speed 9HP Transmission Puts Dog Clutches On The Leash

The AWD system is sourced by GKN, and it is a new product (that will be used by other manufacturers). It is manufactured by GKN in Spain.
Here GKN news (the product was codeveloped with FCA and the control software is customized for Jeep Renegade and for Fiat 500X).
GKN and FCA worked together few years ago also for Fiat Panda 4x4, that uses a system that is conceptually similar, but more basic.
http://www.gkn.com/media/News/Pages/GKN-develops-first-fully-integrated-all-wheel-drive-system.aspx
 

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MJAB, thanks for the detailed info. I had no clue about any of that.

All that being said, would it be possible that folks who don't engage 4WD often (or at all) via the drive-mode dial would be less susceptible to failure?

For example; I haven't used the drive-mode dial at all yet, on my Renny-Lat. The non-pavement driving I've done so far has only included some gravel and dirt roads, some campsite paths with minimal levels of "off road worthiness", and some dirt/mud paths with minimal whoop-de-dos. Leaving my Renny-Lat in "Auto" mode has allowed me to traverse these with no problem what-so-ever, so I've not even reached for the drive-mode dial yet.

I've also been wondering lately if we'd be able to find some type of pattern with the failing units versus the non-failing (or haven't failed yet?) units by comparing not only manufactured-date but also the build-plant.

There's another thread here on the forums - Build date and any build quality issue - maybe we can get folks to post information other than the build-date.

When I posted to that thread, I posted as-such:

Date of MFR: 02/2015
MFD BY FCA Italy S.p.A
Trim level: Latitude 4x4
VIN last-five: 47680
Purchased: 06/20/2015


Just a thought. Think I'm going to post to that thread again, and ask if folks could start including that type of detail.

Every day I get into my Jeep, and I'm about 98% thrilled to be back behind the wheel (because I love my Renny so far), and about 2% nervous about "will this be the day I see my first problem".

Sad, I know, LOL - :)
 

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Personally in bad major problems with the auto tranny. Started leaking fluid all over the place.it has now been at the dealership for 29 days waiting on a New transmission because they have no stock and it was on back order.
 

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I wanted the manual transmission too. But I didn't like the 1.4T engine as much as the 2.4. Now if the Trailhawk is offered with a manual transmission mated to the 2.4 (or larger) motor in the future, I'm trading mine in for it.
 

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I haven't heard of any 9-speed transmission problems relating to the same gearbox used in the Range Rover Evoque so what have FCA changed?
If you do a a net search you will see that the Range Rover Evoque has quite a few posts in their forums about the transmission jerking and it being a software issue.

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I wanted the manual transmission too. But I didn't like the 1.4T engine as much as the 2.4. Now if the Trailhawk is offered with a manual transmission mated to the 2.4 (or larger) motor in the future, I'm trading mine in for it.
I would like to understand why you prefer the 2.4 over the 1.4? The 1.4 seemed like a no-brainer with more torque available at 2500rpm.
 

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I'm getting the 1.4 Turbo model with 6 speed manual. It has 140 hp, which is enough for what I need. I know it ain't gonna do a 10 sec 1/4 mile, but it ain't built for that.

Some prefer manual and some prefer auto. Me, I prefer a manual gearbox, but when I had the luxo barges from Mercedes, BMW and Jaguar, they were automatics and all the better for it, in my opinion.

I guess it comes down to horses for courses, as the saying goes. In the UK anyway.
 

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I have ordered a Trailhawk which only comes with the auto in Europe.
I would have preferred a manual and this will be the first auto I have ever owned.
I look forward to the emergency stops as I press the brake instead of the clutch.
I have driven auto hire cars when I have been abroad and actually cut my head in a Mercedes trying to push the clutch and hitting my head on the sunshade.
 

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My new orange Renegade Latitude has a 1.4 6-speed manual trans. I admit it is slightly under-powered. My wife now wants one but in yellow, with an automatic trans. I understand the 9-speed automatic is a beast and causing quite a few problems with software and sometimes total transmission replacements. I am trying to talk her in to the manual transmission but she is being stubborn although she knows how to drive a stick. Any opinions out there? Automatic issues etc ?? Thanks :)
I wouldn't necessarily call the 2.4/auto a "beast"... it only has 20 more hp (@180 hp) than the 1.4L/Man (160hp) but also has less torque than the 1.4L/Man. The 1.4L/Man will get up and go a little quicker than 2.4L/Auto.


Personally, I will never buy an automatic... I can't stand them. One of the things that attracted me to the Renegade is that it's one of the few SUVs that offers manual trans. But I realize a lot people would prefer automatic. But with all the issues the auto trans has had, I am glad I getting a manual.


Had the 2.4L been offered with a manual trans, I would have gotten that (and a Trailhawk).


As for your wife... it's up to her on what she prefers and if she wants to roll the dice with possible issues on the auto trans or not.
 

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I would like to understand why you prefer the 2.4 over the 1.4? The 1.4 seemed like a no-brainer with more torque available at 2500rpm.
I test drove a Fiat 500L with the 1.4T and manual transmission (only to get a feel for the 1.4T), and it just didn't feel as snappy to me as the 2.4 with the 9-speed auto. I know the gearing may be different, but the 2.4 in the Renegade just felt more peppy.

The last straw for me was the first Trailhawk my dealer got had just the options I wanted so I opted for the Trailhawk. I really like the look of the Trailhawk with its front fascia, tow hooks, and badging. And it has the 7" TFT too (yeah, the Limited has the 7" TFT but it is automatic only as well).

As a rule, I dislike automatic transmissions. My other car has a manual and I really like shifting. The car I traded for the Renegade was a manual too. But this Trailhawk automatic really works well with the 2.4 and I am happy with it. Maybe I am just one of the lucky ones that haven't had issues with my automatic (yet).
 
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