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I am posting in this section because it is where the issue is.

New-ish member LINI posted that she felt her 2017 Renegade was "accident prone" and she did not recommend purchasing one because of the handling in various weather conditions. Of course there were a few comments by members that took exception to what appears to be a slight against this model of Jeep. Others saw beyond that and offered constructive comments and/or asked for more information. It was leaning towards being a tire issue and the OP even stated that new tires were in the near future.

O.K. This is where my complaint comes in that I feel might get me booted off the forum...
One of the "Super Moderators" stated that this thread was going "ON AND ON" and chose to close and lock it. After only 29 posts! This seems like a totally inappropriate action to take for a topic that barely got started into the second page. There are many older threads that seem to run for pages and pages or ramble aimlessly and they don't get locked. Why this one? There was no bad language, name calling, or bickering back and forth nor anything personal or political. Unless LINI starts another topic we will never know if it was a tire issue or something more serious where the emerging information could be useful to other members. I guess it must have struck "Super Moderator's" nerve to think someone was displeased with their Renegade. What else could have possibly irked this "Super Moderator" to deprive others of potentially useful information. Did they only read the first post where the OP stated their opinion? Well, in my opinion the locking of this thread was irresponsible. I am saddened that the topic was cut short before it could be resolved and also that LINI could no longer receive assistance from fellow members with her issue.
 

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I am posting in this section because it is where the issue is.

New-ish member LINI posted that she felt her 2017 Renegade was "accident prone" and she did not recommend purchasing one because of the handling in various weather conditions. Of course there were a few comments by members that took exception to what appears to be a slight against this model of Jeep. Others saw beyond that and offered constructive comments and/or asked for more information. It was leaning towards being a tire issue and the OP even stated that new tires were in the near future.

O.K. This is where my complaint comes in that I feel might get me booted off the forum...
One of the "Super Moderators" stated that this thread was going "ON AND ON" and chose to close and lock it. After only 29 posts! This seems like a totally inappropriate action to take for a topic that barely got started into the second page. There are many older threads that seem to run for pages and pages or ramble aimlessly and they don't get locked. Why this one? There was no bad language, name calling, or bickering back and forth nor anything personal or political. Unless LINI starts another topic we will never know if it was a tire issue or something more serious where the emerging information could be useful to other members. I guess it must have struck "Super Moderator's" nerve to think someone was displeased with their Renegade. What else could have possibly irked this "Super Moderator" to deprive others of potentially useful information. Did they only read the first post where the OP stated their opinion? Well, in my opinion the locking of this thread was irresponsible. I am saddened that the topic was cut short before it could be resolved and also that LINI could no longer receive assistance from fellow members with her issue.
This makes sense what you are saying.

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I hear your point. But does the title of this thread help? "Membership Threatening Comment"

I read this as someone was being threatened.

Thread titles matter. It help people find things.

Re the original thread, having sweeping statements about a specific marque or model are not helpful to people looking for real info about a car.

I've been driving on snow and ice recently. I wouldn't do that on summer tyres or AT tyres. It's just asking to have an accident. In ANY car.



Also, we probably need to clean up the "News" forum looking at some of these threads. :giggle:
 

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I'm a new-ish member as well and I feel the appropriate action would have been to change the thread title to inquire about losing control in snow/ice. I understand that the misleading title might contribute to a bad rep for the vehicle line or give the wrong impression especially to new and prospective owners. There was great info close to the end that might get easily dismissed if someone saw the thread locked for going "on and on". But then again, I don't even know if thread titles can be edited.
 

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I hear your point. But does the title of this thread help? "Membership Threatening Comment"

I read this as someone was being threatened.

Thread titles matter. It help people find things.
In support of Nev, I too thought someone was being threatened and immediately searched for the topic once logged in to ensure that any "threatening" would be dealt with appropriately using the report function.

In the past I have asked people to consider how they write a post so that it cannot be misunderstood. I too am guilty of writing something and then all hell breaks loose when the post was misconstrued and misread. However I do try to informally resolve such issues by sending a message to the person who feels aggrieved with my actions. Often a chat can resolve an issue quickly, quietly and in a more calming manner with the aggrieved party, than having a go at the Moderators for doing their job.

Some of you guys are Moderators in different forums and I know you would be aggrieved if someone was to abuse their Moderators for doing a job. Yet here we are having our Moderators abused. It may not be how it was intended but in their defence that's exactly what is happening.

I hold no qualms towards XFiber for their conduct against the Moderators but instead would like to congratulate them for making an effort to defend a forum member. That is why you all have a community for your Jeep that is worthy of special praise. It is fairly run and any inappropriate conduct is dealt with almost immediately so please everyone, stop being so defensive when the guys do their job.

@Lini, Please contribute further and I am sure your posts will be well received. Perhaps all members can use XFibers topic to partake in a moments reflection of the positivity that can be created as opposed to the negativity that I have just read.

Thanks all.
 

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Interesting that the title of this thread and of that one are both complete falsehoods. Just as there was no factual basis for the "accident prone" verbiage in the original thread, there was nothing "threatening" in the thread, nor was that indicated as the reasoning for shutting it down.

It was clear to me that it got shut down because the OP had been making baseless claims about the handling of the Renegade, while hiding the key info that it had been wrecked prior to the problems.
 

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After I read the OP, I understood the title: The title is about this comment (by Xfiber) that may threaten their forum membership. It does say "membership" threatening comment, not "member" (or member's) threatening comment.
 

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Can I ask that we click this link and read the interpretation of "membership" Membership

Attention to C1 please. Membership does include the singular "member" ie. Our membership is/are divided on the issue. :unsure:

Please note my comment is not directed at my forum friend Rsanges of whom I value their comments.

The use of the word membership can indeed be read as inferring to a single person.
 

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Good point puddlesplasher. I did not think of that definition. However, after reading the post, the usage became clear. I too was shocked to see the title in the list of new threads. It got my attention. My reply was mostly in response to those who seemed to think the title was a 'bait-and-switch", even after reading the OPs post. I was attempting to help clarify the choice of words for the title.
And more to the point of this thread... I too was a little surprised when the subject topic was closed. There are plenty of "I hate the Renegade and anyone who likes it or buys one is a fool." type threads that have gone on longer. Moderators have that authority and I respect their decisions.
 

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Good point puddlesplasher. I did not think of that definition. However, after reading the post, the usage became clear. I too was shocked to see the title in the list of new threads. It got my attention. My reply was mostly in response to those who seemed to think the title was a 'bait-and-switch", even after reading the OPs post. I was attempting to help clarify the choice of words for the title.
And more to the point of this thread... I too was a little surprised when the subject topic was closed. There are plenty of "I hate the Renegade and anyone who likes it or buys one is a fool." type threads that have gone on longer. Moderators have that authority and I respect their decisions.
What’s this “bait and switch” business? I’ve heard it before on another forum I’m on.
 

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"Bait and switch". Basically, a term used for a sales scam where the advertisement of an object gets you interested enough to visit a particular merchant, but when you arrive they try to sell you something other than the object that got you interested (to their benefit and your loss).
 

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Click bait it's called in the UK. (to support Rsanges)

For every click the original poster (OP) receives a small % (percentage) and it gets attributed to themselves in monetary costs. The more clicks from "clickers" (you and I) the more they get paid.
 

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I know as a "new kid" in these forums, sensationalized posts and misleading posts matter when I am doing a search here. I'm sure I've annoyed a few by digging up old threads. It's sometimes hard to pinpoint context and convey emotion in these posts, especially when we have a lot of great people from all over the world. I'm all for criticism. Seriously. No vehicle is perfectly designed for everyone. There are plenty of forum posts full of loathing for these Renegades lol. Some of the comments I agree with. Healthy debate and conversation shouldn't be discouraged. I do take issue with false or intentionally misleading claims used to scare people, which is why asking more questions led to a better rationale for the post itself. It looked like the OP got the information needed to get to a potential solution. I think overall, despite the claims and the defensiveness, the outcome was fine. I understand why the the mod decided to close the thread.

Click bait it's called in the UK. (to support Rsanges)
The thread regarding Renegades being unsafe was definitely a click bait review strategy and used as a way to vent frustration.
 

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OK, as a participant in Lini's thread, here's my $0.02 worth...

While I respect the thankless job that moderators have, and appreciate their active participation here, I too was surprised when her thread got closed. I agree that her premise (that Renegades are accident-prone) was unfortunate and provocative. But we were getting into some good discussion and advice as to what kind of tires might work out better, and why. I thought we'd gotten the thread to a good and constructive point.

By the way, I do hate it when people (often brand-new members) start threads apparently just to bad-mouth a vehicle. I do think such threads need to be shut down when they stay that way. I don't think that's how this thread developed.
 

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Thank you for all the fine comments and input. I will try to sort this out if I can.
I hear your point. But does the title of this thread help? "Membership Threatening Comment"
Would my meaning have been clearer if I had said "Potential Membership Threatening Comment Follows." This could be read as I am about to make a threat everybody! Or maybe "Threat to My Membership For My Opinion" But this sounds like I have received a threat. Neither of them were accurate. I was more concerned about repercussions for my opinion of a moderator for closing a topic that wasn't resolved for an unknown reason. The reply No. 14 by Marek K was right on target.

I read this as someone was being threatened.

Thread titles matter. It help people find things.
I agree 100%. This is why my first sentence stated why I was posting in this section. I also noticed that you put my title in quotes but only highlighted the word I figure you focused on. This is not helpful because everybody that quotes your reply now has it highlighted as if it was the main point of the message.

Re the original thread, having sweeping statements about a specific marque or model are not helpful to people looking for real info about a car. I've been driving on snow and ice recently. I wouldn't do that on summer tyres or AT tyres. It's just asking to have an accident. In ANY car.
Also, we probably need to clean up the "News" forum looking at some of these threads. :giggle:
To further underscore my gripe about closing LINI's thread is that even you, a moderator, can not respond to her issue from her thread. Unless she follows this one she won't know. I strongly agree that people looking for information and opinions about our Renegades will get the wrong story. But couldn't Mrsig just as easilly moved the thread to the correct section instead of closing it and locking it in place?

JasoninDLH seems to have understood the point as well as daverb82.

Fiat Power - I'll break this one into individual parts for you.
"Interesting that the title of this thread and of that one are both complete falsehoods."... Not quite correct. It was your misinterpretation.
..."Just as there was no factual basis for the "accident prone" verbiage in the original thread,"... She was having handling issues that obviously were affecting drivability. A fact.
..."there was nothing "threatening" in the thread, nor was that indicated as the reasoning for shutting it down."... You sort of got this this one right, but the the title of my thread wasn't referring to why hers was closed. It was stated in the first sentence of my third paragraph.

..."It was clear to me that it got shut down because the OP had been making baseless claims about the handling of the Renegade, while hiding the key info that it had been wrecked prior to the problems.

Calm down! Don't take it so personal. LINI posted that the handling on her Renegade was terrible but unfortunately she left out many other factors...: Again, she was basing her opinion on the recent unusual handling characteristics and yes, it did come out that there was a prior accident which might contribute to her issue. But I only read one instance of what you call "baseless claims" and that was in the original post. She did seem to accept that her tires could be the answer when she said she was going to try that route. But it got closed after 28 replies and we can't ask any more questions to help pinpoint the trouble.!

rsanges in reply#7... You nailed it! Right on target.

puddlesplasher ... I'm afraid we don't see eye to eye on this one. You can not take this out of context and twist it around to mean everyone collectively. "Membership Threatening Comment" is not the same as "Member Threatening Comment". If so, then The member = single person. The membership = everyone. Not the direction I was going. If you read through you would have realized what I meant when I stated ...O.K. This is where my complaint comes in that I feel might get me booted off the forum...

MzMarvel20... Please help me out with your understanding of why the topic was closed so soon. Of all of your posts that I have read, in your short time on this forum, I have come to admire your take on a lot of things along with your spunky attitude. This one has me baffled. There was almost a resolution but as I stated we won't know if it was tires or mechanical that was giving her distress.

I'm still hoping Mrsig will chime also.
 

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MzMarvel20... Please help me out with your understanding of why the topic was closed so soon. Of all of your posts that I have read, in your short time on this forum, I have come to admire your take on a lot of things along with your spunky attitude. This one has me baffled. There was almost a resolution but as I stated we won't know if it was tires or mechanical the was giving her distress.
XFiber, I have worked as a content specialist for a long time. I've moderated college football forums, fancy asset management forums, coffee forums, charity campaigns, you name it. I can see a heated conversation coming from a mile away. This definitely looked like one. So I understand why the mod decided to play it safe and close the thread before the pitchforks came out lol. If that thread does stay open, people will come to that thread and keep rehashing the bashing lol. I see why the mod didn't want the post to stay open. I get it. Now, when you type in the word "handling," you're literally going to see that thread. I can see the responsible rationale behind closing it. Would I have closed the thread for the sake of preventing potential shaming and hurt feelings for the OP? Nope. Not at all unless it violates the TOS or community guidelines for "friendliness." I would have had no problem with the shockingly positive line of conversation staying open. But I'm a meany-pants moderator and tend to lean toward less regulation over more, even at the cost of hurt feelings.

Now, to your post. I did not lose one wink of sleep over Lini's post and don't see a need for a new thread to rehash it. I wasn't fired up, outraged, offended, or annoyed. In fact, I giggled, rolled my eyes when I initially read it, posted my thoughts, and went about my day lol. When I saw that we had eventually fished additional information out of the OP, exposing a potential explanation for the claims, I realized she was heated and didn't need to be. You'd have to be to post into a forum driving only one of these Renegades to make such a claim. I did not see a need for an additional post to rehash the closed thread. We actually wont have resolution until the OP gets the vehicle checked in addition to putting on appropriate tires. But still, I don't think closing it would make a life-altering difference. She knows what she needs to make herself a comfortable driver, which is really the point. That's more important than us knowing the exact combination leading to her discomfort behind her Renegade. I was a little surprised it was closed too, but I don't fault the mod and do not see my place here in question because of it. I was going to ask a question about tires, but I know I have no issues reading that thread and creating my own post or searching the forum about tire questions. It doesn't look like a conspiracy to me. I consider it a mod's choice. Not everyone moderates the same. I am ruthless and throw the ban-hammer when I see actual threats and degradation of humanity. Aside from that, I like to roll a forum like it's the Wild West. Many mods don't like that about me. Meh. I'm not everyone's cup of tea. I would have directly reached out to our mod and asked why they closed it for clarification so I knew where the line was for that mod. I didn't feel like it needed a whole new thread for the record. Now, if our mod kept closing threads or appeared to target people, I would say that warrants some discussion. This? Nah. I also understand this is not my forum. This is not my house. I don't make the rules. The rules look pretty loose here. Maybe the mod didn't want the OP to feel harassed or unwelcomed. Maybe the mod wanted everyone to have the chance to take a breath. I don't know. I can only speculate. I feel like this bunch is actually pretty darn respectful in comparison to forums I've moderated once upon a time...or FPS servers...I'm impressed everyone cares this much, even when there is an insult to intelligence or engine preferences lol. It's refreshing...like sweet iced tea...But I'm new here. I haven't yet been exposed to anyone's frothy bits...yet. Give it time. I'm sure I'll rub someone the wrong way lol

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I can see a heated conversation coming from a mile away. This definitely looked like one.
You're right. The title and first post were provocative, and sure enough they provoked. And some of the subsequent posts were counter-provocative, and they did the same.

So at one point that thread was careening into dangerous territory; much like, well, Lini's Renegade.

But I think we'd finally brought it under control...
 

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I agree. I have found they're necessary in 2021. I was once reprimanded for being "too forward" at work in email communications. I started using emojis as suggested with the individuals in question. All of the sudden, I was a friendly coworker :rolleyes:
 
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