Well, the requirement in the EU is for just one rear fog light (on the driver's side), and one backup/reverse light.Once my Deserthawk lands I will be forced to add fog/reverse lights to pass the tests. Like the look of these so I might give them a try
Well, I think the EU (or at least Germany, which would probably mean the EU) does have requirements for the light switch, at least as far as the rear fog light is concerned.Tacky and illegal aftermarket light switch is legal here . EU does not have such precise laws (yet) to tell the member countries what kind of light switch is legal...
Not that I`m aware of. Periodic testing is covered by Directive 2009/45/EC which is not that detailed and leaves a lot of leeway for member-states. There are minimum requirements (and the fog light switch is not covered by those). Switch operation has to meet certain requirements which the directive describes as (Italics bold mine): Requirements’ are laid down by type-approval at the date of approval (US Type approval), first registration or first entry into service (US first registration) as well as by retrofitting obligations or by national legislation in the country of registration.Well, I think the EU (or at least Germany, which would probably mean the EU) does have requirements for the light switch, at least as far as the rear fog light is concerned.
This is correct and the reason why I got interested in the lights mentioned by the OP. As long as I have reverse AND rear fogs I can have either one fog, located on the driver's side or two fogs.Poland does require at least one rear fog light now, right? Since what year? Like Germany, I'm certain Poland requires that vehicles imported from the U.S. have to retrofitted with rear fog lights. So those requirements have become more-or-less standard across the EU.
50m correct, 50 km/h - not the case here. There is no visibility conditions depending speed limit. It can be set by light signs above the motorway for example but nothing like You mention.How about using rear fog lights? Germany prohibits their use if visibility is more than 50m; with that visibility, speed is also limited to 50 km/h. Is that the case in Poland?
Again, the same. Mandatory if visibility is below 50m. Modifiers apply for build-up terrain, special signs, etc.I even see references now that the use of rear fog lights is mandatory in Germany if visibility is less than 50m, I assume since pretty-much all cars have them now. Though I can't find a specific regulation reference (StVO).
Indicator/switch. Not the case here. New cars will most likely have it to comply with the laws of most member-states but for retrofits, this is not a requirement. Eg. I`ve seen more than one Renegade, with inspection passed, that had the rear fog light switch located by the driver's left knee, on the panel there. Seen plenty of other cars with retrofitted fogs with simple metal toggle switches places in various places. While our inspections are not as strict as German ones if something is in the law, the inspector will pretty much require it. Same situation with the front recovery hooks. It is legal for me to have them on the Renegade as it was a factory equipment and the car was type-approved with them.The use of a rear fog light is extremely sensitive for the Germans. So regarding the indicator light for the rear fog light, I know there's a German regulation requiring that it be "in direct sight of the driver" -- that means it can't be just a small icon down on the switch; it has to be somewhere on the dashboard in plain sight. Again, same in Poland?
I have I Tiguan so yep, I`m familiar with this switch. But again, new cars will have such arrangements to comply with most of the member-states laws. For retrofits in Poland, this is not required.As far as German cars are concerned, I'm most familiar with VWs since the late 1990s. And I always thought that other German cars -- and therefore European cars -- were designed the same way. On VWs the light switch is rotary, on the lower-left side of the dashboard. You can only switch the rear fog light on -- and the front fog lights if so equipped -- by pulling the rotary switch out when at least the parking lights are on. that is, there's no way to turn the rear fog light on by itself.
Then, when you rotate the switch to turn the headlights or parking lights off, the switch cams back forward to also switch the rear fog light off. So there's no way to accidentally leave the rear fog light on for the next trip.
Once the car lands, I will have a look at the technical side of making it compliant with Polish regs.I'd be interested to hear how that works on the Euro-spec Renegades...
More interesting than what? It actually relates to the original topic, as far as whether these rear bumper lights would be legal in Europe. So we shall go on...This thread is way off-topic, but I find it way more interesting.
Well, that can't be what this "PL" refers to. The bulbs in my VW headlights are D2S HID, and the bulbs in the Trailhawk are LED...I know PL is used in the household light industry to denote the type of bulb used in the fixture.
Or of your ECE code? Well, that's reassuring to know... that these windshields and the Trailhawk headlights are good-to-go in China. I was worried there for a while...CCC is a Chinese equivalent of Your DOT approval.
It's not quite as simple as that any more. Many DOT- or SAE-approved headlights have had asymmetrical beam patterns for decades now, quite similar to Europeans'. They're technically designated VOL, VOR, and maybe others. The cut-off isn't as sharp as ECE headlights; because DOT has actually encouraged some light "leakage" upward, in order to (theoretically) illuminate overhead signs. (* cough BS cough *)No E-code on headlights - American uses symmetrical lights in the vehicle. Europe uses light that is asymmetric. Hence the USA headlight will be legal in Europe and vice versa. I will have to change the headlights when the car arrives.
Yes. Asymetic beam pattern is requried and I cant remember owning a car without asymetric headlight. Even the old Polonez I had as a first car had asymetric headlights. The cut off "style" is less of an issue, its the direction of the beam which has to go to the "offside" and light up the curb. And this is quite a thing when inspections are carried out.More interesting than what? It actually relates to the original topic, as far as whether these rear bumper lights would be legal in Europe. So we shall go on...
Well, that can't be what this "PL" refers to. The bulbs in my VW headlights are D2S HID, and the bulbs in the Trailhawk are LED...
Or of your ECE code? Well, that's reassuring to know... that these windshields and the Trailhawk headlights are good-to-go in China. I was worried there for a while...
It's not quite as simple as that any more. Many DOT- or SAE-approved headlights have had asymmetrical beam patterns for decades now, quite similar to Europeans'. They're technically designated VOL, VOR, and maybe others. The cut-off isn't as sharp as ECE headlights; because DOT has actually encouraged some light "leakage" upward, in order to (theoretically) illuminate overhead signs. (* cough BS cough *)
Do ECE regulations actually require asymmetrical beam patterns? Because there have been various types in Europe... like the original pattern for halogen headlights, where the cut-off would go diagonally and continuously up and to the right (for right-hand-traffic countries) from the center point -- like this:
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Then there's the "stepped" pattern for HID headlights, where the pattern goes diagonally for a short bit, then levels out again horizontally:
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I assume the Renegade you're getting from the U.S. has the OEM reflector headlights? Oh yes, you'll have to get those changed, because they're really poor -- even for American headlights. Plus they won't have manual range adjustment, which isn't require here for halogen headlights.
But my LED headlights are quite good -- comparable to the bi-xenon HIDs on my VW GLI. The beam pattern has a sharp cut-off, but it goes horizontally all the way from left ot right -- symmetric. The cut-off isn't quite razor-straight -- it's a bit "bumpy" -- but that may be specific to LED headlights and how the optics work. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't meet ECE regulations, unless ECE regulations actually require an asymmetric beam pattern...
I will answer all this once my Rene lands.I know that Renegades can use AlfaOBD as a diagnostics tool. Can you use that to re-code onboard computers too? And does anyone know what the wiring looks like with the European rear fog light?
Yeah, I'm getting that idea.As to AlfaOBD it`s way less straightforward than VAGCom.