[Shadowshaggy]

Thanks for the explanation! Just double checking if this applies to all the 4x4 Renegades, regardless of engine/transmission type? I have the 1.4t/6M.

Previously we had a Saab 9-3 Aero, with the Haldex AWD system, which sounds like it works in a similar manner to the Subaru setup.

That doesnt apply to the 1.4 4x4, which is properly AWD. It never goes into 2WD at any point. The eLSD feature is what destroyed my clutch, because it kept grabbing the brakes and won't allow any wheel slippage.

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[got2bham]

And they are both really just "cars" = unibody. The Renegade looks like a "Jeep" but is really just a car with a cool body.

The XJ Cherokee and the Grand Cherokee are both unibodies and considered some of the best off-road vehicles you can buy (obviously the older GC). Now, pretty much any suv in the Subcompact class is a car: CH-R (really Toyota?), Trax, Encore, Hr-V, and so on. They even share their car platform ground clearance.

The Renegade and pretty much all the Subaru’s are intended for some off-roading and are probably equals. Though neither are without their issues.

 

[skoro]

I had a 2009 Forester that I drove for 6 years. It was decent on snowy/icy surfaces but limited ground clearance and no low range kept me from taking it into any real off road trails.

I've had a Renegade Trailhawk for 6 months now and haven't had any experience in snow/ice yet but have done some mild offroading that I wouldn't have tried in the Forester. The Renny hadled it all w/o even needing to switch the mode on the 4WD system.

 

[RenegadeSweeney]

We have a good friend with a '16 Subaru Crosstrek. She's a huge Subaru fan, as am I. I used to own a '98 Forrester, and it is the only car so far that I regret selling. Before we bought our Renegade, we looked at a Crosstrek as well, but my wife was not a fan of the Crosstrek's styling.

Everything I read up about the Renegade vs Crosstrek matches what I've seen posted here. On road in rain, sleet, snow, slight edge to the Subaru- mainly because it can handle it all faster with little change in driver input. Off road in dirt, gravel, mud, and sand, slight edge to the Renegade (talking non TH models here, as we bought a limited). Severe off road and rocky trails, major edge to the Renegade.

I will say this: the Renegade OWNS the fun factor over the Crosstrek in any style of driving or terrain.

The bigger thing I see here is that in a market in which Subaru dominated for so long, there is finally a challenger in that arena that matches up to it far better than any of the offerings from Toyota, Honda, and Nissan did. The Patriot/Compass twins with 4x4 option started the inroads into that Subaru dominated segment, and the Renegade has now blown it wide open. Now Jeep has the 2nd generation Compass in that segment too. Brilliant move by FCA- combine the loyalty of Jeep Wrangler/Grand Cherokee owners while targeting a customer base that is or could become loyal to Subaru.

 

[raz-0]

We have a good friend with a '16 Subaru Crosstrek. She's a huge Subaru fan, as am I. I used to own a '98 Forrester, and it is the only car so far that I regret selling. Before we bought our Renegade, we looked at a Crosstrek as well, but my wife was not a fan of the Crosstrek's styling.

Everything I read up about the Renegade vs Crosstrek matches what I've seen posted here. On road in rain, sleet, snow, slight edge to the Subaru- mainly because it can handle it all faster with little change in driver input. Off road in dirt, gravel, mud, and sand, slight edge to the Renegade (talking non TH models here, as we bought a limited). Severe off road and rocky trails, major edge to the Renegade.

I will say this: the Renegade OWNS the fun factor over the Crosstrek in any style of driving or terrain.

The bigger thing I see here is that in a market in which Subaru dominated for so long, there is finally a challenger in that arena that matches up to it far better than any of the offerings from Toyota, Honda, and Nissan did. The Patriot/Compass twins with 4x4 option started the inroads into that Subaru dominated segment, and the Renegade has now blown it wide open. Now Jeep has the 2nd generation Compass in that segment too. Brilliant move by FCA- combine the loyalty of Jeep Wrangler/Grand Cherokee owners while targeting a customer base that is or could become loyal to Subaru.

Having owned a subaru, I would not give it the edge in snow. The renegade is a little monster in the snow. Dry road, the subaru AWD systems definitely are engineered to bring something to the table that the renegade doesn't, and full time AWD rather than an on demand/on detection system definitely gives up a little something in primarily slippery conditions.

I have a TH, and the only thing I think that changes the math on for snow is the OEM tires. Dunno what the crosstrek comes with, but between my old one and my friend's forester, it seems they are sticking with OEM tires are awful as their main game plan. The goodyear sr-a tires may not be amazing in any way, but they are basically competent and not dangerous.

 

[RenegadeSweeney]

..... The renegade is a little monster in the snow..

Then for the first time in a LONG time I will be looking forward to when it snows here this winter.

Previously whenever it snowed, we were down to 1 car (the Element). The Kia Soul we had was the worst FWD car I've ever had in snow.