[madvinegar]

WY Diagnostic tool

Is that the tool that they connect to the "OBD II" slot of the car?

 

[lamont]

There are OEM and aftermarket scan tools that plug into the OBD II port and that can be used to change settings, diagnose and clear trouble codes, reset the OCI display etc. There is free software like Carman that you may use on a tablet to phone. Connection is usually with a bluetooth dongle (you have to buy it) that plugs into the OBD II port.

 

[flash75]

Where is the count down located? 2015 Renegade Latitude with 2.4 engine for USA market.
I have searched through all the EVIC functions and haven't seen a count down display.


Build month is 12/2014.

 

[lamont]

Some have mentioned the oil change reminder and the service reminder need to be reset separately. This is to expected, since with a flexible oil monitor, oil change interval and service interval do not necessarily coincide. The OLM counts down to the next required oil change, the service reminder counts down to scheduled maintenance performed after fixed intervals.

The OLM decides if the oil needs changing based on projected oil condition. Depending on the severity of use, the oil may last anywhere from about 3,500 0 to about 10,000 miles (Don't foregt to top off if running low). Resetting the OLM should start a new flexible countdown cycle to the next required oil change. The OLM should be resettable by the user, since the user may want to do early oil changes, while still wanting to make use of the OLM for the next oil change.

The vehicle service reminder is fixed and based on miles driven (10,000) or time (one year), whichever occurs first. Only if the OLM projects oil life for 10,000 miles within one year, do oil change and scheduled maintenance coincide. The maintenance countdown may be resettable only by the dealer with an electronic scan tool. Hopefully there is a way for the vehicle operator to reset the service reminder, since at least some of use do their own maintenance or go to independent shops for service.

 

[flash75]

Lamont, perhaps my question was poorly worded.

I want to know where the indicator that indicates the miles to next oil change is located? The one that must be set with a special tool by the dealer.

I have a Renegade, owners handbook and the correct owners manual that covers what you explained in your long comment.

None of the manuals have any reference to that countdown indicator. I have also tried to find that countdown indicator on the Renegade I have owned since early May.

Clifton

 

[lamont]

Hey Clifton, my comment was merely a general comment in regard to OLM and service indicators.

I have searched the Renegade manual, and while the manual says in the section about oil changes that there is info on resetting the oil change indicator light in the section about EVIC/DID, I could not find anything about it there.

However, I hazard a guess that the EVIC/DID will display a reminder message once an oil change is due. This should be part of the display options under "vehicle info." I can only presume that there is also an indicator light, which will be turned off once the reminder message has been reset. I don't know if the OLM on the Renegade visibly counts down how many miles you have left to an oil change, or if you are merely notified when it's time. It varies from brand to brand.

 

[flash75]

I figured out the answer to my question after reading the thread about where is my service reminder.
My car has no service reminder menu in the vehicle information menu. Most service items should be
performed at each oil change. Remaining service intervals are in the maintenance schedule beginning
on page 516 in the owners manual.


Clifton

 

[lamont]

Well, since the scheduled maintenance interval is 10,000 miles or once a year, whichever occurs first, a service reminder is really unnecessary for all but the most forgetful drivers. Some engineers assume the worst, clearly Jeep does not. >

 

[Renelimited]

Oil Change required warning

Hello Folks,

I bought my Renegade limited in June last year. It has been 7.5k miles and getting an oil change required warning since two days.

- How soon do I have to get it done? I am planning on getting it done next week. Would that damage the vehicle in any way?

- I will be going to a dealership for this. Do I need to get the vehicle checked for any thing else as well? as it would be the first dealership visit after I bought the vehicle.

Thanks.

 

[bwbike]

Next week will be fine for your oil change. Synthetic oil can go longer than conventional oil. Personally, I like to change mine every 5,000 miles.

The only other thing you might need is to see if there are any software updates for any of the modules (computers) in the car.

 

[Mickee]

I concur with oil change at 5000 miles as well. I have not gotten my first oil change. But....I did take the Maxcare warranty on mine and with that the oil change scheduled maintenance I was told was 5000 miles. I am sure one week is not going to make a huge difference though.

Mickee

 

[Thorpeland]

I concur with oil change at 5000 miles as well. I have not gotten my first oil change. But....I did take the Maxcare warranty on mine and with that the oil change scheduled maintenance I was told was 5000 miles. I am sure one week is not going to make a huge difference though.

Mickee

I've now heard so many different answers to this question. Most tell me 5kto 6k on synthetic. When I bought my Renegade, the Jeep dealership say, "Oh these are good for 10k between oil changes!". Which i was highly skeptical of. others have said they wait till 7k. I got my first oil change at 6k, just to be safe.

 

[PAK325]

I concur with oil change at 5000 miles as well. I have not gotten my first oil change. But....I did take the Maxcare warranty on mine and with that the oil change scheduled maintenance I was told was 5000 miles. I am sure one week is not going to make a huge difference though.

Mickee

I seem to be getting my light around 7,500 mile interval. I'm comfortable with that number.

Regarding how long to wait after the light turns on, I don't think that waiting very long would be much of an issue. I do feel like I remembered reading that it should be done within 500 miles of the light coming on.

Edit

"Your vehicle is equipped with an automatic oil change indicator system. The oil change indicator system will remind you that it is time to take your vehicle in for scheduled maintenance.

Based on engine operation conditions, the oil change indicator message will illuminate in the instrument cluster. This means that service is required for your vehicle. Operating conditions such as frequent short-trips, trailer
tow and extremely hot or cold ambient temperatures will influence when the “Change Oil” or “Oil Change Required” message is displayed. Severe Operating Conditions can cause the change oil message to illuminate as
early as 3,500 miles (5,600 km) since last reset. Have your vehicle serviced as soon as possible, within the next 500 miles (805 km)."

 

[flash75]

The owners manual on page 514 reads in part RIP "oil change required message is displayed, have the vehicle serviced as soon as possible, within the next 500 miles"

Since we are relying on a built in oil change indicator, the dealer should say to have it changed when the maintenance minder tells you to change it. It took me some time to understand that when I bought a new Honda Fit in 2011.If your dealer tells you to change it a 5k or whatever, ask him to explain why the manual should ignored.


Clifton

 

[lamont]

I've now heard so many different answers to this question. Most tell me 5kto 6k on synthetic. When I bought my Renegade, the Jeep dealership say, "Oh these are good for 10k between oil changes!". Which i was highly skeptical of. others have said they wait till 7k. I got my first oil change at 6k, just to be safe.

As far as i know, the Renagde comes with an OLM (oil life monitor). The OLM is flexible and takes various factors into account to make a good guess at oil condition. For example, miles driven, fuel consumed, and things like number of start-ups, RPM and oil temperatures may be included in determining oil condition and projecting when the next oil change is due.

In general I would trust the OLM. If I were uncertain, I would have an UOA (used oil analysis performed (for example at Blackstone or Caterpillar). This will show oil condition and also abnormal wear, if there is any.

How long oil may be used depends on many factors: driving style, severe driving/towing/off-roading, dust, distance and amount of fuel burnt. Mythic oil can generally go at least 7,500 miles (10 000 km) or more. In my current car, I can easily got 10-12k miles, although the manufacturer specs 7,5000 mi oil change intervals. I confirmed this via repeated UOAs.

During the warranty period one should stick to the factory-recommended oil change interval to maintain coverage. Once the warranty is over, one may experiment for freely. I certainly do that.

So, if the vehicle has an OLM, go by that. If the car has no OLM, go by what the manual says. Likely the manual lists a normal oil change interval, for example every 7,500 miles or once a year, whichever occurs first, and it will give a shorter interval for "severe service" (towing, off-roading, racing, dusty environment).

A dealer may want to talk you into more frequent oil changes, because they want to make a profit. That's fine if you don't mind wasting resources and money, but your engine won't benefit from it.

 

[pbiancardi]

I just did my first oil change yesterday and came to ask this (figured no reason to start a new topic).

I was under the impression that the computer would tell me when to change the oil which just happened at around 7,600 miles. When I asked the service tech he said "Renegades are 5,000 mile intervals" and also put one of those stickers in the window telling me next oil change is due at 12,600 miles (5,000 from now).

I do not understand, are they not informed or what is going on? What I don't want to happen is have an issue and they deny it because they claim I am not servicing properly? So what is the truth?

 

[flash75]

You should be safe if you follow the manual. Most all dealers have maintenance programs that still go by specified oil change intervals. As I mentioned in post #6 the maintenance reminder tells when a oil change is due. The exception is to change at 12 months interval if the minder hasn't come on.

Oil changer reminders aren't something new, they been around several years on some vehicles.


Clifton

 

[lamont]

YOil changer reminders aren't something new, they been around several years on some vehicles.


Clifton

OLMs have been featured on many passenger cars since the late '80s.

 

[Ponyboyny]

The steps will reset OIL change message BUT the mileage counter needs to be reset too, I FINALLY found this out from dealership, The mileage counter HAS to be reset with a WY Diagnostic tool, by the dealership OR a Mechanic that has one. My dealership reset mine for free after I bugged them for 3 weeks about it. They HOWEVER set it to 5000 for next oil change. They stated that is the MAX setting they are allowed to set it to, and that IF I DO NOT come to them for next oil change it will cost $40 for them to reset it again. My regular mechanic that does my oil changes doesn't have this tool, but will only charge me $50 for oil change.

 

[lamont]

The steps will reset OIL change message BUT the mileage counter needs to be reset too, I FINALLY found this out from dealership, The mileage counter HAS to be reset with a WY Diagnostic tool, by the dealership OR a Mechanic that has one. My dealership reset mine for free after I bugged them for 3 weeks about it. They HOWEVER set it to 5000 for next oil change. They stated that is the MAX setting they are allowed to set it to, and that IF I DO NOT come to them for next oil change it will cost $40 for them to reset it again. My regular mechanic that does my oil changes doesn't have this tool, but will only charge me $50 for oil change.

So basically the dealership is blackmailing you. I'd call FCA CS and ask how they justify that your dealer won't let you make full use of the flexible service interval, but that the dealer instead forces a 5k mile OCI on you.