[Nev]

Hi raygun.

I don't think the FCA TPMS system is clever enough to deal with 5 wheels.
So the 5th needs to be treated as a temporary spare without TPMS sensor and you'll get the relevant warning lights.
Or you could have a TPMS sensor fitted to the spare, but would then have to get the whole system reprogrammed to accept
the spare's sensor and forget the old one?

Did you also order a jack, as they don't come with those either.

 

[raygun]

Thanks Nev. A warning light I can cope with, a speed limit I cannot.

Yes, I have ordered a normal TH wheel and tyre, with the jack, the dual height reversible boot shelf, and the wheelbrace/tools. Needless to say, such things should be standard, and their absence explained in the brochures.

 

[Nev]

It's unforgivable for the TH not to have a full sized spare as standard.

At least they are available. The new Alfa Guilia only has the Fix 'n' Go
repair kit or runflats as options, apparently.

 

[mikeindp]

Thanks Nev. A warning light I can cope with, a speed limit I cannot.

Yes, I have ordered a normal TH wheel and tyre, with the jack, the dual height reversible boot shelf, and the wheelbrace/tools. Needless to say, such things should be standard, and their absence explained in the brochures.

I don't think the tpms on any car does more than warn of low pressure or fault. If a sensor is faulty or missing you will probably get a message and then a constant warning light on the dash until it's fixed. (Also an MoT fail). It's probably a good idea too as a reminder to the driver that he's using a spare, possibly a 50mph space saver, and needs to get the puncture fixed.

Hardly any cars come with spare wheels now ... saves weight (emissions), gives more boot space, most people will struggle to undo and properly tighten 100 ft-lb nuts at the roadside, and it's probably 20 years since I or the other half have had a puncture (last one was her and she had to call the breakdown people anyway). I suspect the increase in tread depth required by law and just better tyres will have helped that.
But that said, for serious off-road stuff a spare is very desirable.

 

[raygun]

But that said, for serious off-road stuff a spare is very desirable.

Not just serious off-road. Last year I hit an unlit kerb head on in the dark that the council had built, stuck out of a new traffic calming island, and burst the sidewall. This year on my dealer test drive of a trailhawk, no less, I had a tyre burst the sidewall going down a short potholed stone and mud farm track.

For the first, no problem, I had a spare and got to the bridge club just in time.

For the last, no spare. The salesperson attempted the gunge, but of course to no effect when you can stick fingers through the sidewall. Stranded until eventually a dealer mechanic arrived and he had no spare for us either, but he took my wife and me back to the dealership. The poor salesperson and the trailhawk are probably still stranded there.

 

[raygun]

Hmmm, can't edit that post. When I wrote that "I hit an unlit kerb head on in the dark that the council had built" I am afraid that reliving the incident caused loss of grammar control. I of course meant "I hit an unlit kerb that the council had built, head on in the dark".

Gateshead council builds too many things, but I cannot blame them for the dark.

 

[ridders]

Thanks Nev. A warning light I can cope with, a speed limit I cannot.

Yes, I have ordered a normal TH wheel and tyre, with the jack, the dual height reversible boot shelf, and the wheelbrace/tools. Needless to say, such things should be standard, and their absence explained in the brochures.

ray just check you have ordered the Alloy one. The default full size spare factory ordered in the UK is a black painted steel, which means your spare doesn't have TPMS and of course looks like a spare wheel has been fitted, when you bung it on. That said, depending on the tyres, the default UK tyres have rotation direction so if it's fitted 'backwards' side, you really don't want it on there for long.
I'm contemplating fitting KO's but they are horrendously expensive and all four ought to be done at the same time! I have another 16k-20k miles to go (hopefully) before I have to look at swapping them all. I suppose I could buy four steels and bung them onto those and keep the others for summer use....

 

[raygun]

Yes, I did say "one just like the ones on the car", and it is still to arrive from Italy. It is supposed to be aluminium (probably an alloy?), and they are charging £344 for the wheel alone, so it probably is. Before the TPMS complication arose I was originally intending to rotate all 5, even though 40% of the time one would be going backwards, but as it is, I shall just swap back after a repair.

My wife won't approve of my off-roading in a new car, but when the 4 tyres need replacing, I intend to use a 225/65/R17 for the extra rubber thickness, and of course buy 5 at once. She will be more resigned to the inevitability by then.

By the way, one "extra" I have already bought is the pair of wheel stud pilot pins. I have enough difficulty aligning ordinary wheels on hub studs, so if I try wheel bolts unaided I am bound to ruin the wheels by cross threading.

 

[ridders]

Can't say I would want to run one in reverse for very long, it must affect grip in wet as the tread pattern would be reversed.

Let us know how you get on, as my dealer supplied the optional 'full size spare' (on the order system) I did say I wanted an alloy one, but when it turned up it was the black steel one, as that's what the factory fits. They used to do full sized alloy in same style as mains, but that stopped in 2016.

When I had to fit the steel spare onto the hub after my tyre blew, well I can gladly say its not difficult. The centre locates pretty easily and you can then rotate the rim round on the circular hub until the holes line up and finger tighten one bolt in, followed by the others.

You can turn the spare round in the boot to get more space and if you have the factory tow bar, you can still use the polystyrene tow bar storage thing to sit inside the tyre and that means you don't need to change the securing bolt to a different length

 

[raygun]

I suppose I could buy four steels and bung them onto those and keep the others for summer use...

A thought here. The car has 17" wheels, which struck me as daft. OK if you want a low-slung tarmac hugger with 30 or 40 ratio tyres, but surely not for a car with some off-road capability. If you do decide to buy extra wheels, I would assume 16" will fit, as other Renegades have them, and this gives you much more tyre space. Will a 15" be too small for the brakes and other internals?

 

[mikeindp]

Can't say I would want to run one in reverse for very long, it must affect grip in wet as the tread pattern would be reversed.

Definitely.
In the UK and probably Europe it may not even be legal (unless you put one of those yellow 50mph temporary spare stickers on it). And if you had an accident and your insurers noticed it I think you'd be having a discussion with them at least.

 

[Nev]

The more (side wall) rubber, the better in my books. But even the 18s are not really low profile tyres.

The overall rolling radius between 16 17 and 18 are the same. Give-or-take. It doesn't make the car sit any lower.


Clearance on brake calipers can be an issue on some cars. (On certain Alfas you had to put the skinny spare
on the back as it wouldn't fit over the front calipers. So losing a front meant changing the wheel twice
to get back on the road.)
Not sure it's an issue on the Renegade.

 

[mikeindp]

The more (side wall) rubber, the better in my books. But even the 18s are not really low profile tyres.

This is one of the reasons I got the Renegade. Virtually all cars get larger wheels as you go up the trim/equipment levels. So getting a decent equipment level and a decent amount of sidewall - because SWMBO is a serial kerb smacker - is difficult. I trawled the manufacturer's specs to get all the wheel and tyre size and then calculated the estimated height of the wheel rim from the ground, for about ten cars. I think I deleted the file but from memory the rims on the Rene's 18" were as high as those on many other cars 16" or 17".
I'd have preferred to have the 16" but poverty spec didn't appeal

 

[Nev]

XL and FSL,FP,FR or MFS are good to add to
your tyre spec if you have a kerbista in the family.

 

[mikeindp]

XL and FSL,FP,FR or MFS are good to add to
your tyre spec if you have a kerbista in the family.

The MINI I replaced with the Rene had those protection flanges ... waste of space. She still graunched the rims and while doing so on the last occasion chopped off an inch or two of that rubber flange as well

 

[Cecelia]

Hey- thanks for info - have a 2015 Latitude 4x4, manual trans, and dual sunroofs (sunroofs have a case that is stored in "spare tire area"). My car came with one of the goop kits that did NOT repair our tire on recent trip thru Oregon. Major fail. Now wondering if any "thinner" wheel would interchange - have same lugbolt pattern and solve storage problem - a least a bit. Love the Renegade - really fun to drive, especially the manual tran - but a bit scary now without good spare. Could still be walking out of the woods without the great help we received.

 

[BU1tj2]

Hey- thanks for info - have a 2015 Latitude 4x4, manual trans, Now wondering if any "thinner" wheel would interchange - have same lugbolt pattern .

Any used Dart Chrysler wheels will fit your renegade, they are cheap and thinner.

 

[raygun]

ray just check you have ordered the Alloy one. The default full size spare factory ordered in the UK is a black painted steel

Just to confirm that the spare wheel ordered at £344 is indeed the normal alloy or aluminium wheel like the other four. It was delivered in time for me to have with the car itself on collection, wheel with tyre screwed in the boot, and others may wish to note that when you do this they remove the "wheel kit" with the inflator and gunge. I have ordered an inflator from Amazon.

 

[Nev]

Here's the compressor I've used in the last 3 cars inc the current one:

[ame]https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ring-RAC610-Compressor-Inflation-FAVOURITE/dp/B0030FBSQ2[/ame]

Cheap as chips, has never let me down.

 

[ridders]

Just to confirm that the spare wheel ordered at £344 is indeed the normal alloy or aluminium wheel like the other four. It was delivered in time for me to have with the car itself on collection, wheel with tyre screwed in the boot, and others may wish to note that when you do this they remove the "wheel kit" with the inflator and gunge.

Good news for you ! Result.
Mine was ordered on the jeep system, along with the factory towbar and park assist. It was 'Regular spare tyre trailhawk' option code 980. Full size Steel turned up.