[CrazySte]

HI EVERYBODY,
last WeekEnd i went to the Los Angeles CA Auto Show, and i obviously went to the Jeep Booth where i started chatting with one of the Reps and complaining about the lack of Diesel Option for the Renegade.


Her answer was that impressively a good amount of people asked about a Diesel Renegade at the show, so he doesn't think it's impossible it will be imported in the Future.


BUT THEN... surprise!


One other rep overheard the conversation, he came there and said:

"Look, many people in these years have already special ordered and imported Wrangler Diesel from Europe, i am pretty sure if you ask a Dealership to Special Import a Diesel Renegade, it won't be a problem, provided you will be willing to pay yourself for the import price and customs on top of the Retail Price and wait for all the paperwork to go through..."

So then the conversation went about how much convenient a Diesel Renegade would be even if Diesel price is higher than Gasoline... as long as you do more than 15k miles a year and provided you keep the car for at least 5 years... it's worth the Deal.

If you do more than 20k miles, it becomes a no brainier.



BEWARE, THE REP AT THE SHOW WAS NOT 100% SURE OF THIS INFORMATION


But then, a few days later, i was contacted by the Dealership in my home town in NC... they got my info from the show and they asked me which car we were Interested into...

I told him i wanted a Jeep RENEGADE... Diesel


His answer was that Diesel is not available for the RENEGADE... but then, i told him:

"YES, i am aware of that, but how about special importing one from Europe, where the Renegade is originally built, and bring here one with a 2Liter Diesel... would that be possible?"


The answer was:
"I am pretty sure we've done that in the past with other Jeeps, so it should be possible with the Renegade too, just beware it maybe a considerable price to add to the car, and it may not be worth it considering the Renegade costs less than $25k, but if you really want it, we might be able to do it"


So we left that we will talk about it in January when the Renegade will go on sale in the US... so

THERE IS STILL HOPE


Now we will have to see how much actually is to get the Diesel over here... that's what may be scary.

If the Diesels usually cost $4k more than normal, and you add another $3k to special order it... we are already talking about $7k, and this is talking optimistically...

that would bring us over the $30k barrier, and worst case, the $35k budget limit we have.


WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?


To me it's still a great new that we can Special Order it... considering my Girlfriend drives well over 20k miles a Year, and we plan on keeping this car for a long time... i would be willing to pay more than 30k for a Diesel Renegade


let's hope for the best
CIAO

 

[CRZY4x4]

HI EVERYBODY,
last WeekEnd i went to the Los Angeles CA Auto Show, and i obviously went to the Jeep Booth where i started chatting with one of the Reps and complaining about the lack of Diesel Option for the Renegade.
Her answer was that impressively a good amount of people asked about a Diesel Renegade at the show, so he doesn't think it's impossible it will be imported in the Future.
BUT THEN... surprise!
One other rep overheard the conversation, he came there and said:
"Look, many people in these years have already special ordered and imported Wrangler Diesel from Europe, i am pretty sure if you ask a Dealership to Special Import a Diesel Renegade, it won't be a problem, provided you will be willing to pay yourself for the import price and customs on top of the Retail Price and wait for all the paperwork to go through..."
So then the conversation went about how much convenient a Diesel Renegade would be even if Diesel price is higher than Gasoline... as long as you do more than 15k miles a year and provided you keep the car for at least 5 years... it's worth the Deal.
If you do more than 20k miles, it becomes a no brainier.
BEWARE, THE REP AT THE SHOW WAS NOT 100% SURE OF THIS INFORMATION
But then, a few days later, i was contacted by the Dealership in my home town in NC... they got my info from the show and they asked me which car we were Interested into...
I told him i wanted a Jeep RENEGADE... Diesel
His answer was that Diesel is not available for the RENEGADE... but then, i told him:
"YES, i am aware of that, but how about special importing one from Europe, where the Renegade is originally built, and bring here one with a 2Liter Diesel... would that be possible?"
The answer was:
"I am pretty sure we've done that in the past with other Jeeps, so it should be possible with the Renegade too, just beware it maybe a considerable price to add to the car, and it may not be worth it considering the Renegade costs less than $25k, but if you really want it, we might be able to do it"
So we left that we will talk about it in January when the Renegade will go on sale in the US... so
THERE IS STILL HOPE
Now we will have to see how much actually is to get the Diesel over here... that's what may be scary.
If the Diesels usually cost $4k more than normal, and you add another $3k to special order it... we are already talking about $7k, and this is talking optimistically...
that would bring us over the $30k barrier, and worst case, the $35k budget limit we have.

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?

To me it's still a great new that we can Special Order it... considering my Girlfriend drives well over 20k miles a Year, and we plan on keeping this car for a long time... i would be willing to pay more than 30k for a Diesel Renegade

let's hope for the best
CIAO

It would be great if that were true, but I don't believe it one single bit. If it were that easy to import a vehicle that was not built for the USA, for one thing, we would already be driving them. Secondly, EPA rules and even customs rules are very specific about importing vehicles. Although the Renegade is a "world car", it still will have very specific emission and safety standards that must to be applied in order to be drive able in North America. I hope I'm incorrect, but I have researched this question in the past, and the truth was not pretty.

 

[Willy]

make sure you get it brown and in manual, talk about a rare bird But worth it, I dunno, that conversation can't really begin until it confirmed for sure its possible and all the associated costs are known. If you're looking at 50% of purchase price (diesel, ordering fees, import, registration) you're in the mid $30's easy, at that point just go buy an X3/GLX/Q3 Diesel, the Germans seem to be the only ones offering diesels to us consistently...

 

[CrazySte]

It would be great if that were true, but I don't believe it one single bit. If it were that easy to import a vehicle that was not built for the USA, for one thing, we would already be driving them. Secondly, EPA rules and even customs rules are very specific about importing vehicles. Although the Renegade is a "world car", it still will have very specific emission and safety standards that must to be applied in order to be drive able in North America. I hope I'm incorrect, but I have researched this question in the past, and the truth was not pretty.

exactly, i asked the same questions, but the reality is this

European Emissions Limits are tougher than the US, and the same limits apply for both Gasoline as well as Diesels... the FIAT MultiJet Diesel is already in compliance with the US Limits, including California ;-)


As far as safety... considering the Renegade is built in Italy, i doubt they build different Structures for different countries, they probably have built a Car structure capable of being in compliance with all the Safety Standards world wide... that should make it for a pretty tough car.


The reason why they don't bring it, as the rep said at the show, is simply because they don't believe there is enough market for a Diesel Car in the Small SUV Segment where prices have to be maintained low...

The JEEP RENEGADE DIESEL 2.0L MULTIJET 170HP costs over €30.k

If you convert that into Dollars, considering the present Dollar/Euro Exchange Rate, you talk about almost $40.k to which you need to add the prices of Shipping from Overseas, Customs, and what ever other fees... i think it would be well well over $40k

THAT WOULD BE ONE **** OF AN EXPENSIVE JEEP

that would totally be a deal killer!


For a Jeep Renegade, considering the type of Car it is, i wouldn't pay more than $30k... OK i am willing to push it up even to $35k for a Diesel Version, but it must be the Super Top Full Optional Trail Hawk before i put out that kind of money.

At the end of the Story, the Jeep is a $20k Car, when you start adding more than 50% of it's price in additional Optionals... it starts getting scary.


BUT again, that still means it may not be impossible to bring one here, but if our price estimates are right, it will be not worth it.

Again... if they normally imported the Jeep Renegade Diesel, the base price would probably be $25k and you may get over $30k with all the Options... that would be a pretty expensive Renegade, but maybe worth it for those who Drive a lot.

We will see, maybe this is not doable, but so far, it gives some sort of light at the end of a Tunnel

 

[CRZY4x4]

exactly, i asked the same questions, but the reality is this

European Emissions Limits are tougher than the US, and the same limits apply for both Gasoline as well as Diesels... the FIAT MultiJet Diesel is already in compliance with the US Limits, including California ;-)


As far as safety... considering the Renegade is built in Italy, i doubt they build different Structures for different countries, they probably have built a Car structure capable of being in compliance with all the Safety Standards world wide... that should make it for a pretty tough car.


The reason why they don't bring it, as the rep said at the show, is simply because they don't believe there is enough market for a Diesel Car in the Small SUV Segment where prices have to be maintained low...

The JEEP RENEGADE DIESEL 2.0L MULTIJET 170HP costs over €30.k

If you convert that into Dollars, considering the present Dollar/Euro Exchange Rate, you talk about almost $40.k to which you need to add the prices of Shipping from Overseas, Customs, and what ever other fees... i think it would be well well over $40k

THAT WOULD BE ONE **** OF AN EXPENSIVE JEEP

that would totally be a deal killer!


For a Jeep Renegade, considering the type of Car it is, i wouldn't pay more than $30k... OK i am willing to push it up even to $35k for a Diesel Version, but it must be the Super Top Full Optional Trail Hawk before i put out that kind of money.

At the end of the Story, the Jeep is a $20k Car, when you start adding more than 50% of it's price in additional Optionals... it starts getting scary.


BUT again, that still means it may not be impossible to bring one here, but if our price estimates are right, it will be not worth it.

Again... if they normally imported the Jeep Renegade Diesel, the base price would probably be $25k and you may get over $30k with all the Options... that would be a pretty expensive Renegade, but maybe worth it for those who Drive a lot.

We will see, maybe this is not doable, but so far, it gives some sort of light at the end of a Tunnel

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Very well put, and I totally agree. One thing I just thought of that scares me even more though, is that I wonder how a warranty would be offered, if at all? I imagine there may be one available after market, similar to the ones Saab dealers were offering when GM went bankrupt? I just don't see FCA honoring the warranty on what essentially would be a "gray market" car.

I think the best we can hope for is that FCA will hear our cries and deliver us a reliable, somewhat inexpensive diesel through the normal channels. >

.

 

[raz-0]

If the eu vehicle is the same as the us, it makes the crash test bit of importing easier. Emissions would be the hard part, and it doesn't matter what the eu specs are. The only thing eu emissions testing might get you (well, fca) are lab verified numbers on sufficient samples to meet the import requirements.

For off road use only, import would be cake.

 

[ChickenBoy]

Excluding taxes the Renegade diesels are way cheaper than €30k:


Renegade 2.0 MultiJet Limited AWD H6 140hp € 21.557
Renegade 2.0 MultiJet Limited 4WD A9** 140hp € 23.058
Renegade 2.0 MultiJet Trailhawk 4WD A9** 170hp € 24.216

(Dutch prices excl. taxes)

 

[CrazySte]

Excluding taxes the Renegade diesels are way cheaper than €30k:


Renegade 2.0 MultiJet Limited AWD H6 140hp € 21.557
Renegade 2.0 MultiJet Limited 4WD A9** 140hp € 23.058
Renegade 2.0 MultiJet Trailhawk 4WD A9** 170hp € 24.216

(Dutch prices excl. taxes)

Hmmm, you missed the Diesel 1.6 Multijet with 120hp.

Anyway... I searched on an Italian Web Site:

- the basic Renegade Diesel with the 1.6 MultiJet 120hp FWD starts at €24000 (approximately $30k)

- the Renegade Trailhawk Diesel with the 2.0 MultiJet 170hp starts at €32000 (approximately $40k)

Check the Following Link and beware:

GASOLINE = BENZINA

DIESEL = GASOLIO

" http://listino.infomotori.com/auto/jeep/renegade/ "

It is interesting to see that in Italy they offer 8 Diesel Models and only 2 Gasoline.

NOTE
The reason why they made the same 2.0 Diesel in 140hp and 170hp is purely to avoid extra Taxes... In Italy for cars exceeding 150hp you have to pay + €4 per hp every year when you renew the Tag... Luckily we don't have that issue here in US so no need to bring the depotentiated Diesel version ;-)

ADDITIONAL TAX NOTE:
I just realized the Prices listed in that web site include SALES TAX which in Italy are 23%... So that means that

- Jeep Renegade Diesel 1.6 Multijet 120hp costs €18000 (about $22k)

- Jeep Renegade Diesel 2.0 Multijet 170hpp costs €26000 (about $30k)


So let's say that a Trailhawk Diesel Multijet costs $30000 and then you pay to special import it and tax and paperwork etc etc... If it stays below $35k it maybe worth it, but otherwise... Sucks, which more likely means my GF will end up getting something else, we need something more efficient than the Gasoline 2.4 Tigershark

CIAO

 

[Willy]

So let's say that a Trailhawk Diesel Multijet costs $30000 and then you pay to special import it and tax and paperwork etc etc... If it stays below $35k it maybe worth it, but otherwise... Sucks, which more likely means my GF will end up getting something else, we need something more efficient than the Gasoline 2.4 Tigershark

CIAO

How do you quantify more efficient, do you have a target number you're aiming for?

 

[CrazySte]

How do you quantify more efficient, do you have a target number you're aiming for?

Ideally: 50mph Highway and 35mpg City

Unfortunately we are not in Europe so we are trying to make the best we can so we are willing to settle for:

35mpg in the Highway

25mpg in the City

So far the only Cars we tried that did that were the Nissan Juke, but it's too small, and the Mazda CX-5, but it's too big.

Now there is the Honda HR-V and the Mazda CX-3 in the Comoetition, but look wise we prefer by far the Jeep Renegade.

But no matter how much we like the Renegade, Gas mileage is a key in the purchase

Very limited choices here in US unfortunately

 

[Rivmage]

What trim level are you trying to get in the Renegade?

If you get a Renegade with the 1.4T, you will get your desired mpgs

In the Dodge Dart with a manual transmission it is rate 27 city and 39 Highway and with an 6 speed auto it's 27 city and 37 highway.

The Dart with the 2.4 manual 23 city and 33 highway and with six speed auto 21 city and 30 highway.

The Renegade with the 9 speed auto will most likely meet your MPG requirements or be 1 mpg off.


Scott

 

[Off-Roader]

Yup, it shouldn't fall too far behind the Dart. On our end at least can go through best practices to ensure we get the best MPG's possible for our Renegades as they could very by an insignificant number

 

[CrazySte]

I would love to think that, but the Jeep has another disadvantage over the 4WD weight compared to the Dart, and it's the aerodinamics.

Once you are on the Highway... The wind impacting the squary shape of the Jeep will cause a great effort for the Motor to push forward.

OK the 9 Gears transmission should help, but honesly, i believe the Renegade will get somewhere around 31mpg Highway and 24mpg City, but i hope i am wrong.

I would love the 1.4l, but this will by mainly my Girlfriend's Car, and she will need Automatic, so we are forced into the 2.4L, and has to be AWD because we need at least one Car safe on Snow, and mine is really not a snow friendly car.

So at that point, we'd get the Trailhawk so sometimes i can go have some fun with it ;-)

But again, if mileage is too bad, we will be forced to look elsewhere.

The Jeep Renegade Trailhawk 2.0L Diesel 170hp Multijet would have been the perfect car.

And i think FIAT/JEEP are making a stupid mistake not bringing the Diesel Renegade right now in a moment when so many small SUV are introduced in the market with great Gas Mileages, because the Diesel Multijet would kill them all!

In our case, a Diesel Renegade that makes more than 40mpg would make it for a NO brainer purchase

CIAO

 

[Diego]

Hey CrazySte, did you end up special ordering the 2.0L diesel trailhawk for your gf? If so what did all come out to and what has been your experience so far with driving it?

Thanks!

 

[collins]

Not worth it.

 

[tony]

I would love to think that, but the Jeep has another disadvantage over the 4WD weight compared to the Dart, and it's the aerodinamics.

Once you are on the Highway... The wind impacting the squary shape of the Jeep will cause a great effort for the Motor to push forward.

OK the 9 Gears transmission should help, but honesly, i believe the Renegade will get somewhere around 31mpg Highway and 24mpg City, but i hope i am wrong.

I would love the 1.4l, but this will by mainly my Girlfriend's Car, and she will need Automatic, so we are forced into the 2.4L, and has to be AWD because we need at least one Car safe on Snow, and mine is really not a snow friendly car.

So at that point, we'd get the Trailhawk so sometimes i can go have some fun with it ;-)

But again, if mileage is too bad, we will be forced to look elsewhere.

The Jeep Renegade Trailhawk 2.0L Diesel 170hp Multijet would have been the perfect car.

And i think FIAT/JEEP are making a stupid mistake not bringing the Diesel Renegade right now in a moment when so many small SUV are introduced in the market with great Gas Mileages, because the Diesel Multijet would kill them all!

In our case, a Diesel Renegade that makes more than 40mpg would make it for a NO brainer purchase

CIAO

Even more so in the current state of the world where brands are aspiring to hit the gold standard MPG rating of.....50, which makes achieving 40 with a diesel even more impressive on the grand scheme of things.

 

[bwbike]

If the diesel import costs $7,000 extra, that money could buy a lot of gas. In fact, at today's prices, you could buy 50,000 miles worth of gas for the 2.4L car purchased here.

Even if I liked diesel cars (I don't), I wouldn't go for that extra cost.

 

[raz-0]

If the diesel import costs $7,000 extra, that money could buy a lot of gas. In fact, at today's prices, you could buy 50,000 miles worth of gas for the 2.4L car purchased here.

Even if I liked diesel cars (I don't), I wouldn't go for that extra cost.

Shhh. Stop doing math, it matters not to them.

 

[bwbike]

shhh. Stop doing math, it matters not to them.

lol .

 

[andrew_l_s]

I'm skeptical of how much truth there is to this, as far as I'm aware there's restrictions in place which would ban this. If anybody ends up trying to import a diesel please let's us know if you're successful or not. I'd definitely be interested in doing this a few years down the road