the diesel Trailhawks 0-60 is about 8.5s. what is the 2.4s time?Not really...
I have owned my Renegade trail hawk for exactly 3 months. I have over 12k miles on it. I have a 7 year loan. By year 5 I'll have 240k miles on the Jeep. I then need to buy another one (assuming it lasts that long). I still have 2 years of payments on the original Jeep, plus need to buy another.
I spent 28k on my TrailHawk. Now I need to spend another 28k AND pay off 2/7 of the first one. That's around 30%.
Or I could go all the way to 340000 in a Diesel that I spent 40k on. In both cases I got 8.5 miles per dollar.
The cost is exactly the same. In the second case the vehicle lasted until the end of the loan AND I could tow 3000 pound trailers (instead of 2000 pound trailers). I get more for my money in the second case.
The only other consideration is the cost of gas versus the cost of diesel. I'd get 10 mpg more out of diesel than I do gas, so a 25% higher cost in diesel would net an even fuel bill...
And I can still PULL more with the diesel.
The only advantage that a gas engine offers me is a faster 0 to 60 time. How often do I drag race my Renegade TrailHawk?
SPECIAL ORDER: if you want DIESEL you can Special Order it
HI EVERYBODY,
last WeekEnd i went to the Los Angeles CA Auto Show, and i obviously went to the Jeep Booth where i started chatting with one of the Reps and complaining about the lack of Diesel Option for the Renegade.
Her answer was that impressively a good amount of people asked about a Diesel Renegade at the show, so he doesn't think it's impossible it will be imported in the Future.
BUT THEN... surprise!
One other rep overheard the conversation, he came there and said:
"Look, many people in these years have already special ordered and imported Wrangler Diesel from Europe, i am pretty sure if you ask a Dealership to Special Import a Diesel Renegade, it won't be a problem, provided you will be willing to pay yourself for the import price and customs on top of the Retail Price and wait for all the paperwork to go through..."
So then the conversation went about how much convenient a Diesel Renegade would be even if Diesel price is higher than Gasoline... as long as you do more than 15k miles a year and provided you keep the car for at least 5 years... it's worth the Deal.
If you do more than 20k miles, it becomes a no brainier.
BEWARE, THE REP AT THE SHOW WAS NOT 100% SURE OF THIS INFORMATION
But then, a few days later, i was contacted by the Dealership in my home town in NC... they got my info from the show and they asked me which car we were Interested into...
I told him i wanted a Jeep RENEGADE... Diesel
His answer was that Diesel is not available for the RENEGADE... but then, i told him:
"YES, i am aware of that, but how about special importing one from Europe, where the Renegade is originally built, and bring here one with a 2Liter Diesel... would that be possible?"
The answer was:
"I am pretty sure we've done that in the past with other Jeeps, so it should be possible with the Renegade too, just beware it maybe a considerable price to add to the car, and it may not be worth it considering the Renegade costs less than $25k, but if you really want it, we might be able to do it"
So we left that we will talk about it in January when the Renegade will go on sale in the US... so
THERE IS STILL HOPE
Now we will have to see how much actually is to get the Diesel over here... that's what may be scary.
If the Diesels usually cost $4k more than normal, and you add another $3k to special order it... we are already talking about $7k, and this is talking optimistically...
that would bring us over the $30k barrier, and worst case, the $35k budget limit we have.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?
To me it's still a great new that we can Special Order it... considering my Girlfriend drives well over 20k miles a Year, and we plan on keeping this car for a long time... i would be willing to pay more than 30k for a Diesel Renegade
let's hope for the best
CIAO
last WeekEnd i went to the Los Angeles CA Auto Show, and i obviously went to the Jeep Booth where i started chatting with one of the Reps and complaining about the lack of Diesel Option for the Renegade.
Her answer was that impressively a good amount of people asked about a Diesel Renegade at the show, so he doesn't think it's impossible it will be imported in the Future.
BUT THEN... surprise!
One other rep overheard the conversation, he came there and said:
"Look, many people in these years have already special ordered and imported Wrangler Diesel from Europe, i am pretty sure if you ask a Dealership to Special Import a Diesel Renegade, it won't be a problem, provided you will be willing to pay yourself for the import price and customs on top of the Retail Price and wait for all the paperwork to go through..."
So then the conversation went about how much convenient a Diesel Renegade would be even if Diesel price is higher than Gasoline... as long as you do more than 15k miles a year and provided you keep the car for at least 5 years... it's worth the Deal.
If you do more than 20k miles, it becomes a no brainier.
BEWARE, THE REP AT THE SHOW WAS NOT 100% SURE OF THIS INFORMATION
But then, a few days later, i was contacted by the Dealership in my home town in NC... they got my info from the show and they asked me which car we were Interested into...
I told him i wanted a Jeep RENEGADE... Diesel
His answer was that Diesel is not available for the RENEGADE... but then, i told him:
"YES, i am aware of that, but how about special importing one from Europe, where the Renegade is originally built, and bring here one with a 2Liter Diesel... would that be possible?"
The answer was:
"I am pretty sure we've done that in the past with other Jeeps, so it should be possible with the Renegade too, just beware it maybe a considerable price to add to the car, and it may not be worth it considering the Renegade costs less than $25k, but if you really want it, we might be able to do it"
So we left that we will talk about it in January when the Renegade will go on sale in the US... so
THERE IS STILL HOPE
Now we will have to see how much actually is to get the Diesel over here... that's what may be scary.
If the Diesels usually cost $4k more than normal, and you add another $3k to special order it... we are already talking about $7k, and this is talking optimistically...
that would bring us over the $30k barrier, and worst case, the $35k budget limit we have.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?
To me it's still a great new that we can Special Order it... considering my Girlfriend drives well over 20k miles a Year, and we plan on keeping this car for a long time... i would be willing to pay more than 30k for a Diesel Renegade
let's hope for the best
CIAO
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the diesel Trailhawks 0-60 is about 8.5s. what is the 2.4s time?
I *think* it's around 6. So NOT a huge difference.
That is a huge difference. I am surprised it is so quick.
Yes that seems way too slow. I would have expected about 8.I think it's like 6.8 or 6.9...
Unless I look it up on http://www.edmunds.com/jeep/renegade/2015/road-test-specs1.html
Then I'd say it's... This CAN'T be right...
9.4 seconds?
What does the jeep site say. It keeps asking me for a post code so I cant access jeep USA.
you can tow at 50 miles an hour on normal non urban roads and 60mph on dual carriage ways and motorways in the UK.Yes. The specs for the EUROPEAN models. They are rated to tow limits that comply with EUROPEAN laws. EUROPEAN laws require that 1) if you are towing you get the equivalent of a license endorsement for it. THEN you are required to operate your vehicle within the safe envelope as specified by the manufacturer.
This means you can be towing your 3000lbs of cargo and blocking up roads at 30mph as your top speed because that is how they do things over there.
In the US, we don't require an endorsement of your license, and we require the vehicle to operate at reasonable highway speeds. The towing capacity is derived from those requirements interacting with the physical characteristics of the vehicle.
The engine has very little to do with it. The major factors are vehicle size, mass, and wheelbase length. The simplified version is that at 30mph, you can tow more trailer before the trailer starts steering the vehicle rather than the vehicle steering the trailer. At 50mph, there is more inertia for the same mass, and you have to reduce that inertia down to a controllable threshold. That is done by limiting the mass of the trailer.
Where engines and transmissions and such come into any rating is with wear and tear on the drivetrain. With the weight and length of the renegade, these are largely secondary issues as controllability goes first.
Here's a nice article on the subject.
http://oppositelock.kinja.com/tow-me-down-1609112611
In parts of Europe the speed allowed is higher.
The only time you are limited to 30mph is when that is the limit for all traffic.
The trailhawks tow limit is 1500kg or 3300lbs
You only need a different licence in the UK if you passed your test after 2013 and the combined weight of the vehicle and trailer is over 3500kg or 7700lbs.
As explained to me the law gets weird not in how fast you can tow something, but in how slow you are permitted to tow something. How slow can you go on a major road? I can tell you in the US, the police will be along to talk to you if you are significant impediment and disrupting traffic.
There are no actual lower speed limits, But towing a trailer is no reason for going slow.
I would cross whoever explained that to you off of your phone a friend list.As explained to me the law gets weird not in how fast you can tow something, but in how slow you are permitted to tow something. How slow can you go on a major road? I can tell you in the US, the police will be along to talk to you if you are significant impediment and disrupting traffic.
I am sure I have seen a US version of who wants to be a millionaire.
The diesel renegade is allowed to tow 3300lbs at 81 mph in France.The numbers might be off, but the notion is still the same. According to you you guys can tow up to 60mph, and no faster. In the us, the speed limit is the speed of the road. So up to 80mph at this point and time (unless I'm missing something).
So the degree might have been exaggerated, but the situation is still the same. The vehicle can likely do the EU rated weight at 60mph. But that is not within the safety margins required by US regulatory code, so the rated weight here is 2,000lbs. One more thing in our pile of regulatory differences are what weight trailers have to be braked. EU is lower, which takes some of the handling impact off of the vehicle.
How many wheels on the trailer and how far back are they? It's not just the vehicles being regulated. Also is that what the law permits, or what jeep says? If so link please.
The us has less regulations. Less licensing requirements, few federal level trailer requirements. We require more margin in the operational envelope.
Jeep just say 1500kg.
I have no idea about specific trailer laws in France, but I have towed single and double axle caravans of up to 28ft and 4480lbs.
The nose (tongue?) weight is what decides the geometry I think.
The UK caravan club told me I was legal.
Are you sure about the minimum limit? If there ever was one I don't think there is now.In the UK brochure, the 2.0 diesel Trailhawk automatic, max towing weight is 1,500 kg braked trailer / 400 kg unbraked trailer. What speeds it can and cannot do, the brochure doesn't say and my owner handbook is in the glove box of my Renegade.
There used to be a minimum speed limit of 30 mph on the UK motorways. Whether or not this is still in force, I don't know.
It has to be something like that.Yeah, 30mph on a single lane 45-50mph roadway fro any extended period will get you ticketed if it doesn't get you run off the road first.
And right there is a huge difference with the US. US permits up to 1999lbs unbraked. I may not have 100% of the answer of what translates to what, but I'm pretty certain that translating a one liner in the EU manuals to US numbers is not correct math, and that what is written outside the US market will have ZERO bearing on what liability jeep has taken upon themselves in the US market.
Yes. I had this conversation a while ago with a mate of mine who drives coaches, among other vehicles and very few people know about the 30 mph minimum speed limit on motorways. I knew and he knew it. When did you last see a tractor or a 50cc moped on a motorway?
Everything I can find online says there is no actual lower limit.
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