[syzygy]

As explained to me the law gets weird not in how fast you can tow something, but in how slow you are permitted to tow something. How slow can you go on a major road? I can tell you in the US, the police will be along to talk to you if you are significant impediment and disrupting traffic.

I would cross whoever explained that to you off of your phone a friend list.
I am sure I have seen a US version of who wants to be a millionaire.

 

[raz-0]

I would cross whoever explained that to you off of your phone a friend list.
I am sure I have seen a US version of who wants to be a millionaire.

The numbers might be off, but the notion is still the same. According to you you guys can tow up to 60mph, and no faster. In the us, the speed limit is the speed of the road. So up to 80mph at this point and time (unless I'm missing something).

So the degree might have been exaggerated, but the situation is still the same. The vehicle can likely do the EU rated weight at 60mph. But that is not within the safety margins required by US regulatory code, so the rated weight here is 2,000lbs. One more thing in our pile of regulatory differences are what weight trailers have to be braked. EU is lower, which takes some of the handling impact off of the vehicle.

 

[syzygy]

The numbers might be off, but the notion is still the same. According to you you guys can tow up to 60mph, and no faster. In the us, the speed limit is the speed of the road. So up to 80mph at this point and time (unless I'm missing something).

So the degree might have been exaggerated, but the situation is still the same. The vehicle can likely do the EU rated weight at 60mph. But that is not within the safety margins required by US regulatory code, so the rated weight here is 2,000lbs. One more thing in our pile of regulatory differences are what weight trailers have to be braked. EU is lower, which takes some of the handling impact off of the vehicle.

The diesel renegade is allowed to tow 3300lbs at 81 mph in France.

 

[raz-0]

The diesel renegade is allowed to tow 3300lbs at 81 mph in France.

How many wheels on the trailer and how far back are they? It's not just the vehicles being regulated. Also is that what the law permits, or what jeep says? If so link please.

The us has less regulations. Less licensing requirements, few federal level trailer requirements. We require more margin in the operational envelope.

 

[syzygy]

How many wheels on the trailer and how far back are they? It's not just the vehicles being regulated. Also is that what the law permits, or what jeep says? If so link please.

The us has less regulations. Less licensing requirements, few federal level trailer requirements. We require more margin in the operational envelope.

Jeep just say 1500kg.
I have no idea about specific trailer laws in France, but I have towed single and double axle caravans of up to 28ft and 4480lbs.
The nose (tongue?) weight is what decides the geometry I think.
The UK caravan club told me I was legal.

 

[raz-0]

Jeep just say 1500kg.
I have no idea about specific trailer laws in France, but I have towed single and double axle caravans of up to 28ft and 4480lbs.
The nose (tongue?) weight is what decides the geometry I think.
The UK caravan club told me I was legal.

Positioning of the mass and wheels affects tongue weight, but they also greatly affect vehicle/trailer dynamics.

 

[kevinfourlegs]

In the UK brochure, the 2.0 diesel Trailhawk automatic, max towing weight is 1,500 kg braked trailer / 400 kg unbraked trailer. What speeds it can and cannot do, the brochure doesn't say and my owner handbook is in the glove box of my Renegade.

There used to be a minimum speed limit of 30 mph on the UK motorways. Whether or not this is still in force, I don't know.

 

[raz-0]

In the UK brochure, the 2.0 diesel Trailhawk automatic, max towing weight is 1,500 kg braked trailer / 400 kg unbraked trailer. What speeds it can and cannot do, the brochure doesn't say and my owner handbook is in the glove box of my Renegade.

There used to be a minimum speed limit of 30 mph on the UK motorways. Whether or not this is still in force, I don't know.

Yeah, 30mph on a single lane 45-50mph roadway fro any extended period will get you ticketed if it doesn't get you run off the road first.

And right there is a huge difference with the US. US permits up to 1999lbs unbraked. I may not have 100% of the answer of what translates to what, but I'm pretty certain that translating a one liner in the EU manuals to US numbers is not correct math, and that what is written outside the US market will have ZERO bearing on what liability jeep has taken upon themselves in the US market.

 

[syzygy]

In the UK brochure, the 2.0 diesel Trailhawk automatic, max towing weight is 1,500 kg braked trailer / 400 kg unbraked trailer. What speeds it can and cannot do, the brochure doesn't say and my owner handbook is in the glove box of my Renegade.

There used to be a minimum speed limit of 30 mph on the UK motorways. Whether or not this is still in force, I don't know.

Are you sure about the minimum limit? If there ever was one I don't think there is now.

 

[syzygy]

Yeah, 30mph on a single lane 45-50mph roadway fro any extended period will get you ticketed if it doesn't get you run off the road first.

And right there is a huge difference with the US. US permits up to 1999lbs unbraked. I may not have 100% of the answer of what translates to what, but I'm pretty certain that translating a one liner in the EU manuals to US numbers is not correct math, and that what is written outside the US market will have ZERO bearing on what liability jeep has taken upon themselves in the US market.

It has to be something like that.

 

[kevinfourlegs]

Are you sure about the minimum limit? If there ever was one I don't think there is now.

Yes. I had this conversation a while ago with a mate of mine who drives coaches, among other vehicles and very few people know about the 30 mph minimum speed limit on motorways. I knew and he knew it. When did you last see a tractor or a 50cc moped on a motorway?

 

[syzygy]

Yes. I had this conversation a while ago with a mate of mine who drives coaches, among other vehicles and very few people know about the 30 mph minimum speed limit on motorways. I knew and he knew it. When did you last see a tractor or a 50cc moped on a motorway?

Everything I can find online says there is no actual lower limit.


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[Spitfire]

So...reviving this thread, in reverencde to the original conversation, has anyone been able to bring a diesel Renegade to North America?

Any word if Jeep will ever do so? I keep hearing rumours that other vehicles in the line (Cherokee, for instance) will be available with diesel, but--especially after the VW diesel fiasco--I'm not holding my breath (and if they were to be offered, probably not with a MT--like the Liberty diesel in 2005/2006, automatic only).

I'd pay extra for a 2.0 diesel Renegade with MT. Oh, yeah.

 

[kevinfourlegs]

I guess you're right not to hold your breath. Jeep didn't release the 2.4 Tigershark engine in the UK because in their words, "with the price of fuel being high in the UK, it would not sell" so we don't have it. As for a Renegade diesel for the USA market, will it sell in large enough numbers, whatever the number may be, for FCA to start shipping it to the USA? If the numbers don't add up for the bean counters, you guys won't be getting it any time soon.

 

[raz-0]

So...reviving this thread, in reverencde to the original conversation, has anyone been able to bring a diesel Renegade to North America?

Any word if Jeep will ever do so? I keep hearing rumours that other vehicles in the line (Cherokee, for instance) will be available with diesel, but--especially after the VW diesel fiasco--I'm not holding my breath (and if they were to be offered, probably not with a MT--like the Liberty diesel in 2005/2006, automatic only).

I'd pay extra for a 2.0 diesel Renegade with MT. Oh, yeah.

Nope, no diesel. The next one to get it in theory is the wrangler. It'll show when CAFE vs credit trading allowances means it needs something. Right now, next step is mandatory start stop in 2017. Then it is 1 MPG epa window sticker per year after that they have to keep up with or buy credits. One of the easier ways to avoid the target is to make the vehicle bigger without burning much more fuel.

Toyota is going to have a buttload of credits to trade more than likely due to swap rules that work in their favor, which will affect industry timelines as well.

 

[Spitfire]

Toyota is going to have a buttload of credits to trade more than likely due to swap rules that work in their favor, which will affect industry timelines as well.

How does this work? I've heard rumours that Toyota is planning to bring their diesel models back to North America, but my local dealer says emphatically "No." Can Toyota trade on the fact that they do not intend to bring in diesels?

 

[raz-0]

How does this work? I've heard rumours that Toyota is planning to bring their diesel models back to North America, but my local dealer says emphatically "No." Can Toyota trade on the fact that they do not intend to bring in diesels?

It gets complicated. The way I read it, the old rule was you could trade credits over years, but now you can trade between models and classes. This means Toyota has a lot of point banked from there micro cars and hybrids.