[Leonidasthesnake]

I'm only bringing this up because the 2 engines the Renegade comes with in the US are too similar in performance and not that highly thought of in other applications. I was a big fan of the Dodge Dart until numbers and reviews came out about the engines. In the Dart and the Renegade they both feel like different versions of entry level engines. For Jeep (and dodge) to ask you to pay extra for one over the other is a bit insulting.

What are your opinions on the engines available and what engines do you think/hope will be available in the next model year (or two).

My wish list. I think there should be an optional turbo diesel on all model trims (the turbo 2.0 multijet will do) and there should also be a performance engine optional on Trailhawk and limited, either a turbo 4 (which we know chrysler has been working on for quit some time), or the 3.0 Pentastar v6 they already have but only use in china on GC's and Wrangler's. If the 3.0 would fit and not way down the front too much (which i read the 3.2/3.6 don't weight that much more than the 2.4) thats the engine of choice for me. It gets 230 hp and 210 lb-ft. The 3.2 gets 20/23/28 in the 4wd cherokee so the 3.0 in a lighter smaller SUV will do better.

 

[andrew_l_s]

It's pretty cramped under the hood - no room for a v6. Diesel is a good possibility a few years down the road when they do a mid-cycle refresh. A larger turbo 4 or even an SRT version has been discussed but it's probably not very likely.

Keep in mind, this is an ENTRY level vehicle, meaning it's going to have entry level engines. It may have premium features but it's still a small relatively cheap Jeep.

 

[CalTom]

SRT Hemi Trailhawk please

 

[raypla]

Can you say 2016??>

 

[bwbike]

Ha, you know what I would want if you noticed my signature. I hope for an engine with at least 250 HP and manual transmission.

I'm used to higher horsepower cars. One of my current cars has a 485 HP 6.4L engine and the other a 375 HP 5.7L engine.

 

[artyup]

The 2 motors have similar numbers but are very different in character. The 1.4 is capable of very good fuel economy, helps with café standards and does well with a manual and the 2.4 is an amazing motor when coupled with an auto and will be the volume seller. I have the 2.4 in a 2014 Dart and love the power on tap and it will be a really good choice in the Renegade. The diesel choices for Europe would be nice options but EPA rules make it problematic for import to the US. More options will come with demand.

 

[GoTguy]

This may be a dumb question, but why do you say that EPA rules make it problematic to import?

EU standards for almost everything are tougher than US standards. Even DOT standards are lighter than Europe's safety requirements.

I have thought the lack of a diesel option on ANY Jeep in the US to be really odd (diesels seem to be the perfect motor for off-roading and towing).

I would love to know what the possible reasons are. I just assumed it was some sort of marketing thing; putting a diesel in the Wranglers first....

 

[artyup]

We are now mandating exhaust fluids in diesels to burn more of the soot and I think all the diesel pickups have an extra fuel tank just for it. Fiat is a very big diesel producer with many engines to fill almost any need and they might bring them if the demand is high enough and they can meet emission standards. Over half the cars sold in Europe are diesel but not the US with low demand and more EPA hoops to get through.

 

[arild]

I believe a diesel engine for the US is a question of cost versus profit. If they can't see any extra profit, a diesel won't come. For every engine introduced compliance tests must be carried out. In addition, a diesel will cost more to manufacture than a petrol engine. From what I've read here on the forum, the price of the Renegade is already close to the limit of what a US Jeep Renegade buyer is willing to pay. If Jeep can't see enough future sales of diesel powered Renegades in the US, they won't introduce it. Would the average US Jeep Renegade buyer even consider a diesel?

 

[DogsRule]

What arid says. Diesel will add $$$ to an already maxed sticker price and add $$$ to Fiat's logistics for supporting the diesel line in the US. Add the bottom dropping out of petrol prices gives diesel a dubious future here.

 

[Leonidasthesnake]

The 2 motors have similar numbers but are very different in character. The 1.4 is capable of very good fuel economy, helps with café standards and does well with a manual and the 2.4 is an amazing motor when coupled with an auto and will be the volume seller. I have the 2.4 in a 2014 Dart and love the power on tap and it will be a really good choice in the Renegade. The diesel choices for Europe would be nice options but EPA rules make it problematic for import to the US. More options will come with demand.

yes the 1.4T takes a breath then gets going and the 2.4 is responsive and has a very linear power band. but in all vehicals i know of that they are both in theres always debate on which one is faster. and im just shaking my head at your statement "love the power on tap", the dart runs 0-60 in about 8 secs and in the 15-16 sec range in the 1/4. It's a fine base engine im not saying its a crap engine. what i am saying is why does chrysler keep pairing these 2 engines in vehicles you get the same times out of them. Pick one to be the base engine and if your going to offer a second engine make it distinguishable enough from the other to make it worth it. I'm not saying I WANT A HEMI, thats absurd, nor am i talking about an SRT version. I simply want a second tear engine choice worth paying for. something that has 220 or so HP and similar torgue. i simply picked the 3.0 pentastar because i know it exists and has the numbers i want. One guy says it won't fit but unless he's seen the 3.0 or knows it dimensions and the dimensions of the Renegade engine bay we don't really know. I expect if there is a new engine at any point it will probly be a turbo 4, which would't be to bad as it will probly have some great torque numbers.

 

[CalTom]

If you want to know the real scoop on FCA engines you have to go to Allpar.com

2016 Hurricane Fours: Turbocharged (Again)
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/fours/hurricane.html

New engine rumors
http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2014/04/fca-new-engine-rumors

My guess we will see the Hurricane engines in the Renegade in 2017.

I'm not saying I WANT A HEMI, thats absurd, nor am i talking about an SRT version. I simply want a second tear engine choice worth paying for. something that has 220 or so HP and similar torgue. i simply picked the 3.0 pentastar because i know it exists and has the numbers i want. One guy says it won't fit but unless he's seen the 3.0 or knows it dimensions and the dimensions of the Renegade engine bay we don't really know.

Here is the SRT Hemi, what, your telling me once we "knows it dimensions" it may fit in the Renegade engine bay?

Coming soon: supercharged 6.2 Hemi
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/SRT-V8.html

 

[artyup]

I believe the 1.4 is offered only because of café standards that make it necessary to up overall numbers and the 2.4 is the motor best suited for the Renegade. On the 8 sec 0-60, it doesn't reflect how well this motor performs and you need to drive one to see how strong it pulls. Darts are doing the 1/4 mile in upper 16s and for a economy oriented small car that is good and I have no problem passing even on 6% grades and other than diesel offerings I really don't see a motor suited as a V6 would add more weight and lower mpg and I just don't see a need for more power.

 

[raz-0]

yes the 1.4T takes a breath then gets going and the 2.4 is responsive and has a very linear power band. but in all vehicals i know of that they are both in theres always debate on which one is faster. and im just shaking my head at your statement "love the power on tap", the dart runs 0-60 in about 8 secs and in the 15-16 sec range in the 1/4. It's a fine base engine im not saying its a crap engine. what i am saying is why does chrysler keep pairing these 2 engines in vehicles you get the same times out of them. Pick one to be the base engine and if your going to offer a second engine make it distinguishable enough from the other to make it worth it. I'm not saying I WANT A HEMI, thats absurd, nor am i talking about an SRT version. I simply want a second tear engine choice worth paying for. something that has 220 or so HP and similar torgue. i simply picked the 3.0 pentastar because i know it exists and has the numbers i want. One guy says it won't fit but unless he's seen the 3.0 or knows it dimensions and the dimensions of the Renegade engine bay we don't really know. I expect if there is a new engine at any point it will probly be a turbo 4, which would't be to bad as it will probly have some great torque numbers.

It won't fit if the 6 is a v. It has to be transverse mounted, then your plugs and one exhaust manifold would probably have to be routed through the firewall.

 

[tony]

I believe the 1.4 is offered only because of café standards that make it necessary to up overall numbers and the 2.4 is the motor best suited for the Renegade. On the 8 sec 0-60, it doesn't reflect how well this motor performs and you need to drive one to see how strong it pulls. Darts are doing the 1/4 mile in upper 16s and for a economy oriented small car that is good and I have no problem passing even on 6% grades and other than diesel offerings I really don't see a motor suited as a V6 would add more weight and lower mpg and I just don't see a need for more power.

x2, 2.4 is what would make it a better vehicle, better lower end power and overall performance, but of course these days it's more about doing what meets cafe standards and power.... good enough.

 

[Willy]

FCA is working on a hi-po 4 banger called Hurricane, that could be in the mix, as well theres a rumor of a small diesel designed for passenger cars in the US...

http://www.greencarreports.com/news...cretly-developing-a-diesel-for-passenger-cars

 

[bwbike]

I won't buy a diesel engine no matter how good or economic it is. In fact, I can't stand driving behind a car or truck running diesel. I find the odor to be obnoxious.

 

[Indiana Jones]

I won't buy a diesel engine no matter how good or economic it is. In fact, I can't stand driving behind a car or truck running diesel. I find the odor to be obnoxious.

You really would be surprised by today's Diesel. I drove a 2015 Grand Cherokee Diesel and you could not tell that it was diesel at all. I was extremely surprised.

 

[Indiana Jones]

I have the 1.4 and I will never again. I'm looking forward to the Tigershark engine and going back to regular gas. It bites that you can't get a manual but not a deal breaker.

As far as the argument goes for a physically bigger engine fitting, even if it could fit it has to meet crash standards.

 

[JayhawkOne]

I'm only bringing this up because the 2 engines the Renegade comes with in the US are too similar in performance and not that highly thought of in other applications. I was a big fan of the Dodge Dart until numbers and reviews came out about the engines. In the Dart and the Renegade they both feel like different versions of entry level engines. For Jeep (and dodge) to ask you to pay extra for one over the other is a bit insulting.

Jeep is not having you pay more for the 2.4 over the 1.4...

You're only paying for the automatic transmission over the manual.