[The_Warlin]

When I get the trailhawk I plan to do a Mopar suspension lift on it. My question is, since I'm somewhat new to this, will the lift go on top of the factory lift or replace it? For instance if I was looking at adding a 1" suspension lift, would it end up being a total of 1.8" (1" + .8" factory lift) or just the 1" lift.

I'm going for looks mainly, and wondering if it would be cheaper on me to just lift a Limited to the right height and get a Trailhawk front bumper, or pay the difference for the Trailhawk and still have to lift it.

Yes I realize a body lift will be cheaper but I don't trust the dealership not to void my warranty or revoke a claim because of a body lift. I hate the interior of the Trailhawk and figured I could get the Limited and just lift it and get bigger tires and the Trailhawk bumper and skid plates.

 

[raz-0]

Well a body lift is usually spacers between body and frame. The renegade is unibody, so you can't do that.

Also nobody has a lift kit for sale, that includes mopar.

So you can have your plans, but good luck with that.

 

[CalTom]

Yes I realize a body lift will be cheaper but I don't trust the dealership not to void my warranty or revoke a claim because of a body lift. I hate the interior of the Trailhawk and figured I could get the Limited and just lift it and get bigger tires and the Trailhawk bumper and skid plates.

This is classic, the salesman said he would do a body lift for you, is that correct?

A body lift, means you are generally lifting the body, like you do on a Wrangler, because it has a frame from which to lift the body.

Sorry your salesman does not know what a unibody is, did not get the memo, or more likely, will tell whatever lie will help to get the sale.

 

[Incognito]

Sorry your salesman does not know what a unibody is, did not get the memo, or more likely, will tell whatever lie will help to get the sale.

Yup.
The salesman is reeling you in with BS.

Right now, one company in Italy and another in France are close to releasing lift kits.
International shipping makes this a perfectly sensible way to go.

I also think getting a Limited and lifting it is better than getting a TH.
The TH has too much fluff and no manual transmission option.

 

[The_Warlin]

Let me make it clear that my dealer hasn't said anything about this, and I know what a body lift is. I did not know that the Renegade was unibody.

Let me also make it clear that I know that Mopar has not currently announced a lift kit for the Renegade, however since they recently partnered with Fox and sell one for the Wranglers, and since we have seen a lot of concepts with an additional lift, I assumed that Mopar would eventually sell one, and that is the one I will buy and install.

Does anyone happen to have an answer to my actual question?

 

[raz-0]

How could we? We have no idea how anyone plans to engineer things.

 

[Indiana Jones]

Let me make it clear that my dealer hasn't said anything about this, and I know what a body lift is. I did not know that the Renegade was unibody.

Let me also make it clear that I know that Mopar has not currently announced a lift kit for the Renegade, however since they recently partnered with Fox and sell one for the Wranglers, and since we have seen a lot of concepts with an additional lift, I assumed that Mopar would eventually sell one, and that is the one I will buy and install.

Does anyone happen to have an answer to my actual question?

I know an owner of a company that fabricates lift kits and accessories not only for Wrangler but the MINI Countryman. When he receives a beta Renegade he will be making items for the Renegade.

Be patient.

You can bet aftermarket items will be coming, but those items will need some R&D time also.

Don't hold your breath about MOPAR. They were supposed to come out with a "Venom" kit for the Abarth- it never happened.

 

[rambo]

I know an owner of a company that fabricates lift kits and accessories not only for Wrangler but the MINI Countryman. When he receives a beta Renegade he will be making items for the Renegade.

Be patient.

You can bet aftermarket items will be coming, but those items will need some R&D time also.

Don't hold your breath about MOPAR. They were supposed to come out with a "Venom" kit for the Abarth- it never happened.

Exactly, and those companies probably got Renegades to work on right around the same time first deliveries happened, add a few months to that and that's when we should expect to see something at the earliest.

 

[PAK325]

Let me make it clear that my dealer hasn't said anything about this, and I know what a body lift is. I did not know that the Renegade was unibody.

Let me also make it clear that I know that Mopar has not currently announced a lift kit for the Renegade, however since they recently partnered with Fox and sell one for the Wranglers, and since we have seen a lot of concepts with an additional lift, I assumed that Mopar would eventually sell one, and that is the one I will buy and install.

Does anyone happen to have an answer to my actual question?

I read an article a while back that explained the physics behind the difficulty there is with lifting the renegade, and from what I recall, there is an issue with the KONI suspension and the 4wd system that created a situation that was so complicated that guys on some other Jeep forum were skeptical that it would ever be possible to lift the Renegade without sinking an insane amount of money and time into re-engineering the setup.

I won't pretend to have the memory or a strong enough understanding of the issues to elaborate, but there are a number of threads on the interwebz that can better articulate the discussion and realities of what you're trying to do.

 

[raz-0]

Let me make it clear that my dealer hasn't said anything about this, and I know what a body lift is. I did not know that the Renegade was unibody.

Let me also make it clear that I know that Mopar has not currently announced a lift kit for the Renegade, however since they recently partnered with Fox and sell one for the Wranglers, and since we have seen a lot of concepts with an additional lift, I assumed that Mopar would eventually sell one, and that is the one I will buy and install.

Does anyone happen to have an answer to my actual question?

There's nothing about mopar branded wrangler kits for wranglers that guarantees they will be doing it for anything else.

The only thing we know is that of the various info leaked about prototypes being worked on, nobody has gone much past 1", and that likely means that's where you start needing custom lower control arms to deal with suspension issues. With that small a difference, I would guess that kits for the TH would replace what's been done on the stock setup rather than offer a second 1/4"-1/2" lift on top of the factory solution. But that isn't an absolute necessity.

 

[Foobar]

To answer the original question, I think it depends on how the Trailhawk was lifted to begin with and what the aftermarket lift is comprised of.

Logically, if the Trailhawk uses a .8 inch spacer I would expect a 1 Inch aftermarket lift to replace that netting only a .2 rise.

Anyone have access to the suspension schematics to tell for sure how the Trailhawk lift is accomplished?

 

[CalTom]

I read an article a while back that explained the physics behind the difficulty there is with lifting the renegade, and from what I recall, there is an issue with the KONI suspension

but there are a number of threads on the interwebz

Can you please try to give us a few links?

Also, are you sure they were discussing the Renegade or the Cherokee, as that does have issues?

 

[CalTom]

Looking at the kits that G-Force has for sale, you can surmise some information.

The first one, 2.5cm, is about a 1 inch lift, you can see it is a Trailhawk, so it may be a total of 1.8 inches, or 1 inch added to the stock Trailhawk .8 inch lift.

LIFT KIT OFFROAD + 2.5cm, comprising 4 BRACKETS SPECIALLY DESIGNED FOR AN INCREASE EFFECTIVE 2.5CM
http://www.g-force.it/prodotti.asp?CATEGORIA=NEW%20RENEGADE

The "Extreme" model one does not have the lift listed, but it appears to be about 5cm or 2 inches. However, looking at the front end in the top photo you can see it is not a Trailhawk and you must do mods to the engine plate:

KIT LIFT EXTREME
CONSISTS OF 4 BRACKETS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY, THE NEED FOR A PLATE ENGINE MODIFICATIONS
http://www.g-force.it/PRODOTTI2.ASP?CATEGORIA=NEW RENEGADE&ID=708

 

[The_Warlin]

The "Extreme" model one does not have the lift listed, but it appears to be about 5cm or 2 inches. However, looking at the front end in the top photo you can see it is not a Trailhawk and you must do mods to the engine plate:

What is the engine plate?

 

[CalTom]

What is the engine plate?

I tried a different translator website and got motor plate instead of engine plate, but same difference. I wonder if they mean engine cradle:

 

[Incognito]

" Engine Plate " is called a K-member in Chrysler-ese speak.

 

[PAK325]

I read an article a while back that explained the physics behind the difficulty there is with lifting the renegade, and from what I recall, there is an issue with the KONI suspension

but there are a number of threads on the interwebz

Can you please try to give us a few links?

Also, are you sure they were discussing the Renegade or the Cherokee, as that does have issues?

Here's one from InfinitelyWild with Chief Engineer Phil Jansen. http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/will-the-2015-jeep-renegade-be-any-good-off-road-1580389048

"IW: The new Cherokee has proved virtually impossible to lift. Will customers be able to lift the Renegade?

PJ: When you get two independent suspensions together ? front and rear ? lifts in general become very difficult to do. A person can pull off sway bars and space up suspensions, but we can't necessarily stand behind that because the dynamics of the vehicle become very different. Let's just say that."

 

[Indiana Jones]

" Engine Plate " is called a K-member in Chrysler-ese speak.

An even more general term more people will understand is "subframe".

 

[Indiana Jones]

I tried a different translator website and got motor plate instead of engine plate, but same difference. I wonder if they mean engine cradle:

I could easily see how this works. It essentially is a body lift. Can't get too nutty with it without needing longer axles

 

[fmunk]

I could easily see how this works. It essentially is a body lift. Can't get too nutty with it without needing longer axles

Yup. Probably modifying the K member to be mounted lower, to keep driveline angles closer to stock.