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Well, for me one of the first upgrades are an extra set of offroad wheels and tires. I had to do some research and testing to find this information.

The wheel and tire information on the individual models can be found on the jeep website. I'm only listing the TrailHawk here. The hub and stud specs should be the same across all models.

Wheel & Tires:
17" Aluminum Offroad Wheel (no information on offset or width)
Goodyear Wrangler 215/65R17 All Terrain Tire
Bolt Pattern: 5x114.3 (5x4.5 is considered the same size)
Hub Size: *I need to look up how to measure it and have some time to remove the wheel and measure it on the Renegade.
* The tire sits real close to the spring perch. Anything bigger may cause rubbing issues. So keep in mind the offset and width. Wheel spacers may be needed. Note that the Renegade Limited uses 18" wheels and do not have the added .8" lift that the TrailHawk has. The limited may be using a different offset on the wheels and/or the tires are not as tall.

Camera in front of the tire:


Camera on top next to the spring looking down:


Camera from the outside looking in:


Hub and Studs:
The Renegade uses a Bolt/Stud style lug nut. It is size 17mm. You can see the length in the picture below. It is the very top one. The thread pitch size is 1/2x20. It is the same as the Compass and Patriot, but those 2 cars have the more common studs pressed into the hub vs the Renegade's bolt/stud lug nut.
* Thread pitch: 12x1.5 or 12x1.25 will not fit. The Renegades threads (1/2x20) are finer and closer together than the 12x1.5 shown in the picture. The 12x1.5 threads are wider apart. Hopefully the picture is clear enough for you to see the difference. I tired putting the 12x1.5 lug nut onto the Renegade's 1/2x20 lug stud and it did not fit as well.



Spacers:
Looking at the Renegade's lug bolt head it will easily clear a 1" spacer. Any spacer smaller than 1" will not come with the new set of studs. You would use the original lug bolt, but I would recommend using new extended lug bolts to make up the difference the -1" spacer would create. If you use a 1" or larger spacer, the spacers come with new pressed in studs at whatever thread pitch you want. You don't want to use extended lug studs on a spacer that is 1" or larger. The longer the stud the easier it is prone to breaking. That's why any spacer that is 1" or larger comes with a new set of short/normal length studs installed. When you want to add a 1" spacer to a more common hub that has the studs pressed into the hub, you usually run into the problem of the studs sticking out longer than the 1" spacer. This will prevent the wheel from sitting flush with the spacer, but instead hit/sit on the studs. You would need to cut the studs shorter for clearance. With the Renegade, I don't see this problem with the length of the head on the lug bolt with a 1" spacer. With any spacer I recommend a hub centric and wheel centric spacer. Hub centric means that the larger center hole on the spacer is cut to fit perfectly onto the center of the hub on the car. The spacer should not be able to slide/move around once seated flat on the hub. Wheel centric means that the outside facing part of the wheel spacer is cut to fit the large center hole on the inside of the wheel. Having a spacer that has both hub centric and wheel centric will guarantee proper fitment from your hub to the spacer to the wheel. Without this proper alignment you risk the studs breaking and the wheel coming off. You will also notice vibration and poor steering wheel feedback. There are spacers out there that will not have hub centric or wheel centric cuts. Or they will have one or the other. Make sure the ones you want the purchase have both to match your setup. With all that being said the common consensus on spacers is that there is always a risk of failure. Wear and tear, cheaply made, and improper installation can cause failure. Some don't recommend using spacers at all and recommend you buy the proper offset for whatever your wheel you purchase. Sometimes that option isn't available and we have to turn to wheel spacers.


** Out of time, more to come. Or please feel free to add or correct any information.
 

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Bolt Pattern: 5x114.3 (5x4.5 is considered the same size)

The thread pitch size is 1/2x20.
Hi White_THawk, good post and pics. The bolt size you list is incorrect however. We have had many threads discussing this, the Renegade bolt pattern is 5x110. Unless Jeep changed it for the U.S. Renegades? What is your source of the 5x114.3 info, links?

I have a hard time believing the 1/2x20 thread pitch on a metric vehicle, please reconfirm.

Here is one of the many threads where we have discussed bolt pattern and offset:

http://www.jeeprenegadeforum.com/fo...wk-all-terrain-t-tire-wheel-alternatives.html
 

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Here is some information of spacers that fit onto other jeep models. The measurements are as followed:

Fits Bolt Pattern: 5x114.3 or 5x4.5
Creates New Bolt Pattern: 5x114.3 or 5x4.5
New Thread Pitch: 1/2x20
Thickness: 1" / 25mm
Centerbore: 71.5
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-0-5x114-3...-TJ-/380907996816?hash=item58afe2c690&vxp=mtr







Because I don't know the hub centric measurement on the Renegade, I don't know if these will fit properly. This is just an example for your reference.
 

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Hi White_THawk, good post and pics. The bolt size you list is incorrect however. We have had many threads discussing this, the Renegade bolt pattern is 5x110. Unless Jeep changed it for the U.S. Renegades? What is your source of the 5x114.3 info, links?

I have a hard time believing the 1/2x20 thread pitch on a metric vehicle, please reconfirm.

Here is one of the many threads where we have discussed bolt pattern and offset:

http://www.jeeprenegadeforum.com/fo...wk-all-terrain-t-tire-wheel-alternatives.html

If the bolt pattern is confirmed by other at 5x110, I would trust that. I didn't do any fitting, just vague measurement with a tape measurer against that cars I have with 5x100 and 5x114.3. And it came closer to the 5x114.3. But 5x100 is closer to 5x114.3 than 5x100, so I can see how I could make that mistake with a tape measurer. I didn't even know there was a 5x110, so if the admin could fix my first post.
 

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Note that the Renegade Limited uses 18" wheels and do not have the added .8" lift that the TrailHawk has. The limited may be using a different offset on the wheels and/or the tires are not as tall.
White_THawk, The main thing to remember is that tire size and rim size are not the same thing.

The Limited's 225/55R18, Trail Hawk 215/65R17 and Sport 215/65R16 tires are all in the 27" to 28" Outside Diameter range with a 8 1/2" to 9" section width.

You can theoretically fit a 27" rim and a tire with a 1/2" tall sidewall in a Renegade.
It would be a 28" OD combo that would still clear the McPherson struts just like the factory stuff.
It would however, have all the ride comfort of a forklift. >:D
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It definitely looks like wheel spacers, different offset rims or both are must if you are going with a tire that has an OD over 28".

This makes me wonder if 15" rims on spacers to clear the brakes is do-able.
The better selection and lower cost of of 15" rims and tires is pretty compelling.


Those Bolt/Studs would make me want to add spacers regardless and locktite those goofy things in. :eek:
 

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Thanks for responding. But will it be a problem? Or no matter if it is so close to the spring perch?

Would the spring perch get far if you use a simple lift kit, as that one of the Italian people g-force, with +2.5 cm (1")? Is this how it works?

Sorry for my ignorance, I never did any change on any car, also my English is not good so it's a problem for me to understand some times, specially about technical words.
 

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Wheel spacers available soon from RenegadeReady

I've heard from my buddies at Renegade Ready that their first batch of wheel spacers is currently at the anodizing place now and longer italian-made bolts are arriving soon. They've been holding out releasing the website till some awesome stuff is on the shelf ready for delivery.

The hub spacers will be 25mm thick hub centric style 5x110 and include a new set of 20qty longer lug bolts to replace the short stock ones. To clear up all confusion the lug bolts are metric M12x1.25. They are not repeat not 1/2-20. Let's try not to let bad information regarding bolt circles and lug sizes propagate.

I've been told it will include a set of wheel hangers (also available separately) to make wheel changes sooooo much easier when lug bolts are involved and that the spacers will be offered first in black anodize, but may also be offered in regular clear anodized and in the next 30 days or so black bolts would be an option instead of traditional zinc finished bolts. Before long, a stud and nut replacement kit might be offered to replace lug bolts for the folks that just can't stand the lug bolts though wheel hangers do solve that inconvenience.
 

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This makes me wonder if 15" rims on spacers to clear the brakes is do-able.
The better selection and lower cost of of 15" rims and tires is pretty compelling.
15" rims will definitely not clear the front brakes of the trailhawk, and based on a preliminary assessment also will not clear the other models.

I'll be posting soon some 16" steelies to demo the clearance on the trailhawk for the inquiring minds out there.
 

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The hub spacers will be 25mm thick hub centric style 5x110

To clear up all confusion the lug bolts are metric M12x1.25. They are not repeat not 1/2-20. Let's try not to let bad information regarding bolt circles and lug sizes propagate.
Hi miniJeepTV, great confirmations on the 5x110 bolt pattern, the hub-centric style and the M12x1.25 bolt thread size.

Do you have set of calipers you can accurately measure the hub size?

While your in there, can you measure the backspace as well?

Thank you for your great contributions to the forum.
 

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The Wrangler and VW/Audi Community has been using wheel spacers and adapters for years. They are readily available in almost any size/configuration depending on your needs. I can point people to the sites that are used more frequently if that would help anyone.
 

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The Wrangler and VW/Audi Community has been using wheel spacers and adapters for years. They are readily available in almost any size/configuration depending on your needs. I can point people to the sites that are used more frequently if that would help anyone.
What would be great is if they could adapt from the Fiat pattern to a more common size so we could get more variety of rims.
 

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Adapters with 5 studs in a 4 1/2" bolt pattern would be perfect.
There are many like this with a Google search, these may be a little thick but you get the idea. Do you have some 4 1/2" bolt pattern wheels in mind?

4 WHEEL ADAPTERS SPACERS 5X4.5 OR 5X4.75 TO 5X110 1.25" INCH THICK | 12X1.5 STUD $89.99
http://wheeladaptersusa.com/product...r-5x4-75-to-5x110-1-25-inch-thick-12x1-5-stud



and here are some 1" thick ones:
[ame]http://www.amazon.com/4pc-5x114-3-Adapters-Spacers-Vehicles/dp/B00HQPGMYK[/ame]
 

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There are many like this with a Google search, these may be a little thick but you get the idea. Do you have some 4 1/2" bolt pattern wheels in mind?

4 WHEEL ADAPTERS SPACERS 5X4.5 OR 5X4.75 TO 5X110 1.25" INCH THICK | 12X1.5 STUD $89.99
http://wheeladaptersusa.com/product...r-5x4-75-to-5x110-1-25-inch-thick-12x1-5-stud



and here are some 1" thick ones:
http://www.amazon.com/4pc-5x114-3-Adapters-Spacers-Vehicles/dp/B00HQPGMYK
The ones from the Amazon link are the type I'm thinking of.
The first review posted there says that they broke on the guy in under a week highlights the problem of going with cheap spacers.

Those ones you've got a picture of are frightening.
That thin spot between the the two bolt patter holes would be a failure point offroading.

Hopefully Spidertrax will have some high grade spacers soon.
 

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I haven't thought too much about which rim to go with yet since no one knows what specific offset is needed with what oversize tires.

My previous 4x4, Chevy/Suzuki Tracker had steel Black Rock 951 Dune rims on it and they took a lot of abuse.
However, they were heavy. I'll probably go with aluminum this time.
 

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I've been hearing though that spacers will mess things up, i.e. having to buy new hubs every couple of months... any insight into this?
The trick is to buy top quality spacers instead of any China-mart junk on sale.
Spidertrax and a few others specialize in making spacers for Offroaders.

I had 1" spacers from SpiderTrax on my Chevy/Geo Tracker.
Mounted on those spacers were 31x10.5r15 General Grabber desert racing tires and 15x8 steel truck rims.
Total wheel & rim weight was 67lbs each. :p

It made that Tracker a slug in traffic, but the studs and bearings were never in any danger of breaking.
The trick is to think through what you are doing and order the correct offset/back spacing on the rims to minimize wheel bearing and stud loads.

The Desert Hawk Renegade Jeep recently showed off at Moab has 1" spacers to help it clear the bigger 245/65R17 tires on it with factory rims.
 
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