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I was on the jeep facebook page and man so much hate for the renegade. All the wrangler and cherokee owners hate it, the styling, fiat chassis, not a real jeep they say. I personally think it pretty capable for a small suv. I do find it funny all the wrangler purists driving 4 door wranglers and hating on a renegade lol, thats a bit like pot calling the kettle black. No problem with 4 door wranglers at all but to me a wrangler is 2 doors and sometimes no doors! But I dont say anything cause to each their own, 4 door wranglers and cherokees are fine jeeps. However the hate for the renegade is strong among jeep owners.
 

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I should also say Im not trying to start any arguments nor do I want any. Im trying to understand why it isnt considered a real jeep, was there this much pushback when they introduced the patriot, or other models? This is my first jeep so thought I would be part of a community not an outsider lol!
 

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It is considered a real Jeep. Just look at what the magazine reviews say. Many reviews have said that it is a far more capable SUV than the Compass and Patriot which are nothing more than dressed up Dodge Calibers.
I think some of the negativity comes from the ******* mentality that a Jeep has to be made in the good old USA. The fact that it is made in Italy bothers a lot of people. What these people fail to realize is that it was designed by Jeep engineers and that is has Jeep DNA. The world economy dictates that these products have to be made all over the world to be sold in many markets. Note that all Coca-Cola products are not made in North America. They are made all over the world and they all taste the same.
 

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Ya'll got short memories. You forgot all the hate for the TJ with its coil springs. Or the Liberty, or the Commander, or the YJ "Wrongler".

I have a Renegade and I don't consider it a real Jeep. No two speed transfer case. My real Jeep is a 77' Cherokee, with a swapped in Ford engine, so I am already an outcast, or weirdo. I don't like JK owners that much. Some are okay though.
 

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Well I totally understand the not built in America, but many vehicles these days are built out of country, mexico, canada etc. I feel I still bought American, could have bought honda, kia, toyota but decided to stick with an American brand Jeep. Also dont think its nice to call a die hard jeep guy a *******, I would just say stuck in the past or afraid of change. Actually the renegade isnt even taking the place of anything its just a vehicle filling a growing nitch market, its actually very good for Jeep overall.
 

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This happens every time any new Jeep comes out.

When the TJ came out, the YJ guys said "real Jeeps have leaf springs" and the TJ guys said "real Jeeps have round headlights"

When the JK came out, everybody said "the ESP system will prevent it from being lifted" and "the 4-door is too long to take off road"

When the XJ came out, everybody said "it's a mall crawler" and "you can't take it off road"

My point is, it's a real Jeep because it leads it's segment in off road capability. The Renegade isn't supposed to be a Wrangler. It's not supposed to be a Grand Cherokee. It's supposed to be the most off road capable B segment SUV on the market, which it is. It can conquer trails, rocks, sand, snow, mud and hills. It can take you places other vehicles never will. It deserves the Jeep name because of that.

For the record, I've owned over a dozen various kinds of Jeeps including Wranglers and Grand Cherokees. I traded in a 4-door JK Rubicon to buy a Renegade Trailhawk. My wife's ride is a Grand Cherokee. And yes, my Renegade is a "real" Jeep.
 

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My point is, it's a real Jeep because it leads it's segment in off road capability. The Renegade isn't supposed to be a Wrangler. It's not supposed to be a Grand Cherokee. It's supposed to be the most off road capable B segment SUV on the market, which it is. It can conquer trails, rocks, sand, snow, mud and hills. It can take you places other vehicles never will. It deserves the Jeep name because of that.

For the record, I've owned over a dozen various kinds of Jeeps including Wranglers and Grand Cherokees. I traded in a 4-door JK Rubicon to buy a Renegade Trailhawk. My wife's ride is a Grand Cherokee. And yes, my Renegade is a "real" Jeep.
Wow, well said!
 

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Well I totally understand the not built in America, but many vehicles these days are built out of country, mexico, canada etc. I feel I still bought American, could have bought honda, kia, toyota but decided to stick with an American brand Jeep. Also dont think its nice to call a die hard jeep guy a *******, I would just say stuck in the past or afraid of change. Actually the renegade isnt even taking the place of anything its just a vehicle filling a growing nitch market, its actually very good for Jeep overall.
Hopefully this thread doesn't get out of hand, but I'll add my 2 cents.
Honda, Hyundai, Toyota among many others have non USA based manufacturers that have plants in the U.S.A. It could be noted that those vehicles put together in those plants are American made. In fact according to Cars.com the car company that qualifies as the most American is the Toyota Camry. Bottom line it is a global economy. Car makers have plants all over the globe. Does it really matter that a Renegades' engine is built in the USA and shipped over to Italy/Brazil, put together in a chassis and then shipped back. Just because it shares a platform. Is it less American? Not in my book. Is it still not called Jeep? Yep, last I checked. Can it do off-road better than any other model in its class. Check.

It's a Jeep, plain and simple.

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Hopefully this thread doesn't get out of hand, but I'll add my 2 cents.
Honda, Hyundai, Toyota among many others have non USA based manufacturers that have plants in the U.S.A. It could be noted that those vehicles put together in those plants are American made. In fact according to Cars.com the car company that qualifies as the most American is the Toyota Camry. Bottom line it is a global economy. Car makers have plants all over the globe. Does it really matter that a Renegades' engine is built in the USA and shipped over to Italy/Brazil, put together in a chassis and then shipped back. Just because it shares a platform. Is it less American? Not in my book. Is it still not called Jeep? Yep, last I checked. Can it do off-road better than any other model in its class. Check.

It's a Jeep, plain and simple.

TS
Ive have also heard that toyota is the most American made car. I know they make fine automobiles but really tho it isnt a American brand like Jeep, Chrysler, Ford or GM have. There is still a difference to me, my opinion of course. I totally agree that at the heart of the renegade is still the offroad capability which to me is what Jeep brand is all about.
 

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I was on the jeep facebook page and man so much hate for the renegade. All the wrangler and cherokee owners hate it, the styling, fiat chassis, not a real jeep they say. I personally think it pretty capable for a small suv. I do find it funny all the wrangler purists driving 4 door wranglers and hating on a renegade lol, thats a bit like pot calling the kettle black. No problem with 4 door wranglers at all but to me a wrangler is 2 doors and sometimes no doors! But I dont say anything cause to each their own, 4 door wranglers and cherokees are fine jeeps. However the hate for the renegade is strong among jeep owners.
Simply put, they don't pay your bills. They didn't buy you a Renegade. If they don't like it, they can go #@%$ themselves.

Unless you solicited their opinion... Who gives a flying #@%$ what they think. If you did solicit opinions, just remember: opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one and they are stinky (and you might not like every single one of them).

And if you have to seek approval from strangers for your decisions, what does that say about you?
 

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Simply put, they don't pay your bills. They didn't buy you a Renegade. If they don't like it, they can go #@%$ themselves.

Unless you solicited their opinion... Who gives a flying #@%$ what they think. If you did solicit opinions, just remember: opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one and they are stinky (and you might not like every single one of them).

And if you have to seek approval from strangers for your decisions, what does that say about you?
Wow lighten up Francis! Yes I make all my decisions based on others opinions at all times lol.
 

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The Renegade will where be capable as a wrangler, but people will hate. They hated the liberty when it came out, but then it grew on people. There is one group I am in on FB "Jeep Renegade Owners Group" and well most of the people there just like to put stickers on their renegades and drive it around town. They also seem to have a very negative attitude towards people who don't own a Renegade. To me the group is very very distasteful
 

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Simply put, they don't pay your bills. They didn't buy you a Renegade. If they don't like it, they can go #@%$ themselves.

Unless you solicited their opinion... Who gives a flying #@%$ what they think. If you did solicit opinions, just remember: opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one and they are stinky (and you might not like every single one of them).

And if you have to seek approval from strangers for your decisions, what does that say about you?
I've heard a similar expression: "opinions are like arm pits - everybody has two, and they both stink." LOL
 

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I was on the jeep facebook page and man so much hate for the renegade. All the wrangler and cherokee owners hate it, the styling, fiat chassis, not a real jeep they say. I personally think it pretty capable for a small suv. I do find it funny all the wrangler purists driving 4 door wranglers and hating on a renegade lol, thats a bit like pot calling the kettle black. No problem with 4 door wranglers at all but to me a wrangler is 2 doors and sometimes no doors! But I dont say anything cause to each their own, 4 door wranglers and cherokees are fine jeeps. However the hate for the renegade is strong among jeep owners.
We own a commando Renny and really like it, but I understand some of the guff. It's a FIAT built vehicle cut & dry. Yep, it's capable, yep it's cool & yep it's a Jeep, but it isn't made by Tony in Ohio but rather Tony in Melfi. :laugh:
Then there are people like me who would never ever consider a Jeep, until they threw some Italian flair in one (design influences as well as the Italian engine & trans). That got my attention - and I ordered one because of it!
 

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I was on the jeep facebook page and man so much hate for the renegade. All the wrangler and cherokee owners hate it, the styling, fiat chassis, not a real jeep they say. I personally think it pretty capable for a small suv. I do find it funny all the wrangler purists driving 4 door wranglers and hating on a renegade lol, thats a bit like pot calling the kettle black. No problem with 4 door wranglers at all but to me a wrangler is 2 doors and sometimes no doors! But I dont say anything cause to each their own, 4 door wranglers and cherokees are fine jeeps. However the hate for the renegade is strong among jeep owners.

I have a jk wrangler rubicon and my wife and I just purchased a trailhawk Anvil renegade. We love it. Don't get me wrong I love my wrangler as well. Still the renegade depending upon which model you get is a very capable rig. Looking forward to many years of happy trail riding in the renegade. Jeep wave to you
 

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We own both a Cherokee TH and a Renegade TH, and the general consensus in unsolicited online opinions, is that neither is a Jeep.

You can't fault people who picked another vehicle, for not liking yours. I love the styling, appearance, and amenities of my Cherokee. More than enough people out there think the Cherokee is ugly, and weird, and ... You get the point.

Not every vehicle is for everyone. That's why The Wrangler isn't the Cherokee isn't the Renegade. If we all had the same exact taste, we'd all have the same single vehicle.

Neither the Cherokee or the Renegade will ever have the off-road capabilities of a Wrangler.

The Wrangler will never have the comfort, convenience, amenities, and fuel economy that we enjoy in the Cherokee and Renegades.

They're all three different vehicles, for different purposes. Some people buy Wranglers for the weekend, and to help them with their daily commutes. Other people buy Cherokees and Renedages for their daily commutes, and to help them on the weekends.

Stop worrying about internet trolls and hate-mongers, and enjoy what you drive.



Then there are people like me who would never ever consider a Jeep, until they threw some Italian flair in one (design influences as well as the Italian engine & trans). That got my attention - and I ordered one because of it!
The ZF 9-Speed is a German transmission. I don't know about the manual.
 

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The JK past me on the trail, the occupants trying to insult me by hollering that’s not a real Jeep. Twenty minutes later, as I’m waltzing around the JK stuck in the mud hole, the occupants asking for help to get them out, sorry man but you’re going to need someone with a real Jeep to get you out of that.
 

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I am a New Renne Owner . I have always wanted a Jeep but am a medicial courior and run about 120 miles a day so I needed economy on the fuel side.
I was a Suzuki Sx4 owner w 16 inch whells 2010.. I drove the car hard Daily. It was discontinued In the USA so Looking to drive somthing close . They told me the Renegage on the Fiat 500x were the same platform. I took a Month and drove all the comparable subcompacts all/4wheel drive . Trax, Rouge,Rav 4 , Crosstrek etc ... Always wanting a Jeep after owning Many picl ups and soccer mom vans . This Jeep now has 3088 Miles on it
16 inch tires 2.4 9speed. This was the only xover that had any guts...I have other Vehicles , I got the Comanndo Green with black wheel sport.
I have Gotten Ridiculed for not buying a Real Jeep .... Its Ok It fits my stature , my price point , My needs as far as hauling stuff, I am a Guitar player, Drummer , Upright bass Player , Trap Shooter and Bowhunter, Plus am Active w grandkids. MY toyota Tacomas Sits in the garage unused?? so far.
No need to defend My purchase , Im digging my New Jeep . Mabey somday ILL get a Wrangler Rubicon .. But for now its only been a month so far I am happy with my Purchase, Bought a spare tire for it.. . Looking forward to the winter here in Pa Bring it on . My old Fishing Buddy calls it a Jeepster !
My biker friends call It a shrunk cherooke.... For a First time Jeep Guy Im satisfied !
 
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