I was on the jeep facebook page and man so much hate for the renegade. All the wrangler and cherokee owners hate it, the styling, fiat chassis, not a real jeep they say. I personally think it pretty capable for a small suv. I do find it funny all the wrangler purists driving 4 door wranglers and hating on a renegade lol, thats a bit like pot calling the kettle black. No problem with 4 door wranglers at all but to me a wrangler is 2 doors and sometimes no doors! But I dont say anything cause to each their own, 4 door wranglers and cherokees are fine jeeps. However the hate for the renegade is strong among jeep owners.